Gifted Aspie children and interaction with adults
I preferred conversing with adults because I had a mental age years beyond my chronological age. In elementary school, I would often talk to them about history (one of my special interests). I often read older college medical (anatomy and physiology, ect) and psychology textbooks in the 5th grade. In the first grade, I remember speaking to a classmate about the Milky Way galaxy and he repeatedly made the ignorant claim that it was only a candy bar.
When I was in primary school I used to talk to the teachers in the playground instead of other pupils most of the time.
These days I don't really talk to anyone except a few friends (my age) unless they talk to me first.
Although I don't remember it happening in primary school, I do know how annoying it is when you're discriminated against just because of age. NoctuernalQuilter from here has done it to me lots of times.
I know exactly what you mean. I always hated to be patronised by adults, and I didn't like it when adults patronised other kids, either. In my adolescence it became very important to me to be treated as an intellectual equal by intelligent, educated adults. By the time I got to university my social skills had developed enough that I was able to carry on decent conversations with my lecturers, and I preferred that to hanging around with my classmates.
Very bright children often do gravitate towards adults, and young aspies often find it easier to get on with older people, children and animals than with people their own age. Adolescents and young adults are a socially demanding bunch; older adults are more tolerant. When you're a bright, oddball child, adults will often be charmed by you when your peers find you WEEIIIRD, EW.
being an adolescent is a lot more difficult than being an adult, and this is one of the reasons why.
People don't listen to you as a kid. they let their experiences of other kids cloud their judgement of you, rather than seeing you as an individual. This has been a limiting factor for me for many year, continuing on through my twenties. It seems not to be much of an issue once I reached thirty or so. But even when i was in my mid twenties and i was teaching at the medical school and the students were at least as old as me, it was kind of weird.
The reason I don't buy the age=experience=wisdom thing is that there are different experiences one can have at different points in life. By the time I was 13 I had taken care of a child, raised animals and grown crops, hunted, fished, had a job, seen someone die, and had many other powerful life experiences. AND, i learned from the experiences of other people, including the adults and old people whose company i sought out.
MOREOVER, and more importantly, two people can go through the same experiences and not achieve the same level of wisdom or learning from them. This is only too evident when it is a negative (someone just won't learn from their experiences), but the opposite can also be true-- some people can learn a lot from their experiences, and gain a lot more maturity.
When you were a child, did you actively seek out the company of adults over other children? And were you terribly insulted when adults 'discriminated' against you or patronized you because of your age?
YEP and YEP!
And I said, "No, it's cursive."
So the lady smiled at me and said, 'Of course it is, sweetheart,' in the most excruciatingly patronizing manner.
With ME, it was things like that I should let "the adults" do things. Even things I could CLEARLY do better.
Have you had similar experiences?
YEP! Some people think kids can't do ANYTHING! Adults MIGHT, to some degree, have more potential.(But kids probably use more of theirs) Adults MIGHT be stronger/bigger.(I was bigger than a good number of adults at 15) Adults can maybe procreate.(Some are sterile, but this isn't meaningful here!) Adults MIGHT have studied certain things.(MOST haven't learned 1/2 of what they studied) Maybe they even LEARNED certain things. But that doesn't make them smarter, more capable, etc... I said that as young as 6(probably earlier), and I say that NOW in my 5th decade of life.
It annoys me when teachers sometimes look at my work and laugh at what I've wrote down.
I think some of my teachers don't take me seriously. Like once I said, 'It was proved on TV that things like un-plugging phone chargers, etc. wouldn't make a significant enough impact to stop significant changes happening soon' and she simply said, 'well, it would HAVE to'.
There's other possible examples of a teacher some what dismissing what I've said, probably due to my age.
There have also been times when teachers have under-estimated me. There's been a lot of times when I've had a problem with a computer, and in asking for help I was just asking for permission to fix it my self, but the teachers make a big fuss about it and bring in technicians(who can't actually fix it anyway -.-).
But, meh.
EMZ=]
Aurore mentioned condescension, which is something kids get from adults whether they're gifted or not, but there's something worse: I had a problem with being seen as eerie or spooky as a kid. Adults sometimes looked at me with fear in their eyes as though they were seeing something unnatural, and sometimes they'd unconsciously back away. I understood the quality I possessed that made them feel that way, but it didn't FEEL eerie to possess that quality -- it's only eerie when seen from the outside by an adult. Anyone else?
One isn't the substitute for the other. They both have value.
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I had this experience, a lot, and one of the few kids who wanted to be my friend in grade school was forbidden from associating with me by his parents, who thought I was weird. He did anyway, but i wasn't allowed to his house or anything. His dad was the child protective services worker for our area, and his mom was a science teacher for sixth grade.
I have had these experiences before I found out about Asperger's. I have often been annoyed that people expected me to do "typical teenager" things, when I wanted to do my more adult-like special interests.
No. I didn't seek out anyone's company until my pre-teens and teens.
And I said, "No, it's cursive."
So the lady smiled at me and said, 'Of course it is, sweetheart,' in the most excruciatingly patronizing manner.
A friend, non-autistic, but probably gifted told me of experiences like that.
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The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett
as an undiagnosed child, i was generally perceived as bright and precocious.
by the adults i was around. to be fair, i was homeschooled, so the adults i
was around were bastions of intellect. i learned the food cycles of most mammals
and reptiles. the synopsis:
i had a very unusual upbringing, and while you had yours. the result is very different.
When you were a child, did you actively seek out the company of adults over other children? And were you terribly insulted when adults 'discriminated' against you or patronized you because of your age?
When I was six years old, I was once hanging out on the playground writing an essay when a woman came up to me and started to talk. She saw my paper and asked, 'Sweetie, are you scribbling?'
And I said, "No, it's cursive."
So the lady smiled at me and said, 'Of course it is, sweetheart,' in the most excruciatingly patronizing manner.
I still remember that as one of the most insulting experiences of my life, even though I realize she didn't mean it to be.
Have you had similar experiences?
My son has always preferred adults. I always thought it was because they had more knowledge to offer him that was based on evidence.
(Sorry, I know this is random - but I was just in the middle of a very intense debate, where one of the other parties told me that what I had to say was invalid because I was a 'child'. Yes, I'm young, but that doesn't make me stupid.)
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