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09 Mar 2009, 4:46 pm

has anyone else come to the conclusion that what autism speaks is leaving out of it's name is "for itself" mean autism is a bad thing?



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09 Mar 2009, 5:28 pm

No. I believe they actually think they speak for autistics who do not speak. It's like personification, assigning human traits to animals or objects. They use their own projections to guess what the autistic is thinking and publicize it. It's sick!


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09 Mar 2009, 8:22 pm

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has anyone else come to the conclusion that what autism speaks is leaving out of it's name is "for itself" mean autism is a bad thing?


I think that's the effect they have, since they've never considered any autistic opinions that I know of, and they've threatened legal action against some of us. Their intentions I'm not sure of; they have a silly image of autism and autism treatments (theories about vaccines, chelation, etc.) but it's not clear to me whether they all believe in what they're doing or they're in it for the money. The people around the top are probably financially motivated to some degree. At any rate, yes, it does look like they consider autism a bad thing and autistics, by extension, bad people.

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No. I believe they actually think they speak for autistics who do not speak. It's like personification, assigning human traits to animals or objects. They use their own projections to guess what the autistic is thinking and publicize it. It's sick!


That is, I think, what their name implies. I suppose most of them must believe it too.

It is sick. Absolutely.



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09 Mar 2009, 8:27 pm

No, not "bad people", necessarily. Just tragic victims of autism. Our opinions don't count because they're affected by autism; or else we're not affected enough to know what we're talking about, because if we were, we wouldn't be able to talk. To say that they think we are bad people gives them more credit than they're due; they don't really believe we're capable of morality at all, because autism makes all our decisions for us.


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09 Mar 2009, 8:29 pm

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No, not "bad people", necessarily. Just tragic victims of autism. Our opinions don't count because they're affected by autism; or else we're not affected enough to know what we're talking about, because if we were, we wouldn't be able to talk. To say that they think we are bad people gives them more credit than they're due; they don't really believe we're capable of morality at all, because autism makes all our decisions for us.


A good qualification and well-made. In a sense, then, according to them, are we barely people at all?



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09 Mar 2009, 8:30 pm

Exactly. Either that, or the "real [neurotypical] people" are hidden by autism.


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09 Mar 2009, 10:15 pm

Agree Callista. To them we are ret*ds, barely human and they are valliantly trying to make us human.



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10 Mar 2009, 12:57 pm

I keep wondering if this was how blind, deaf/mute and other better understood disabled groups were treated a hundred years ago. Must go to library!