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22 Mar 2009, 6:14 pm

I was harassed and intimidated by gangs of youth with immigrant origin. That is because I myself is partially immigrant, but I refused to hang out with them. Before I was diagnosed (age 12), I was actually taken seriously by teachers and break guards. They found it little irritating that I did not interact with any peer, but they accepted my reports as truthful.

But after I was diagnosed in year 1999, it started to rapidly decline. Soon, their only standard reply was "So so. They are just seeking contact. You do not understand what they want. Just be friendly with them."

They also started to talk more slowly and more childishly to me. That got me very upset once when my teacher did so. So I took an iron ruler from the whiteboard and beat her up. I was simply fed up with not being taken seriously.

When I went to college, harassments intensified, as some subhumans constantly spread out rumours that I was insane. When I confronted girlfriend of one of the major subhumans, alpha male of that pack, and gave her public verbal assault, I was later assaulted and beaten up by five Turks and Arabs in one of the stairs at college. This happened when I was seventeen. I got one arm broken and two ribs shattered, as well as inner bleedings and slight brain concussion.

There was 30 witnesses. None of them dared to testify. They feared Turks, because Turks controlled drugs and prostitution in my suburb. I was also known to be very racist during that time (2004).

They claimed I had fallen in stairs. I called them liars. So, six weeks after assault, I was summoned to principal office. There I was told that I could either quit college or face serious consequences. He threatened to report me to authorities for "slander" and "hate crime". He also reiterated that Hassan and Ali merely wanted me to be friendly with them and not "harass their girlfriends". He also explained to me that since I have Asperger's, I should not judge how people act because I am unable to comprehend it. He also explained to me that I am in need of constantly having someone to ask why people are behaving like they are. As an Aspergian, I am unable to do so, he meant.

If I had'nt still been on wheelchair, I would strangled him. I seriously never had hated humanity as much as during that moment. It was like black hole in my soul.

I excelled at school. But was forced to drop out. Because I was assaulted.



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22 Mar 2009, 6:20 pm

Sorry to hear that.

What's a partial immigrant.

Did you press charges.

etc. etc.



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22 Mar 2009, 6:24 pm

Bodhi wrote:
Sorry to hear that.

What's a partial immigrant.

Did you press charges.

etc. etc.


1. I am born in country, but my parents were immigrants from Yugoslavia.

2. No. Every single witness confirmed version of my assaulters. Not because they hated me that very much, but because assaulters had very big criminal gang. They are known to threaten and assault people who are testifying against them. If I would have charged them, I would probably not be alive today.



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22 Mar 2009, 6:30 pm

That sounds terrible. Sure most of us have experienced bullying and assults, but probably not too many of us to that extent. What contry do you live in?



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22 Mar 2009, 6:38 pm

hester386 wrote:
That sounds terrible. Sure most of us have experienced bullying and assults, but probably not too many of us to that extent. What contry do you live in?


Sweden.



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22 Mar 2009, 6:39 pm

Zyborg wrote:
Bodhi wrote:
Sorry to hear that.

What's a partial immigrant.

Did you press charges.

etc. etc.


1. I am born in country, but my parents were immigrants from Yugoslavia.

2. No. Every single witness confirmed version of my assaulters. Not because they hated me that very much, but because assaulters had very big criminal gang. They are known to threaten and assault people who are testifying against them. If I would have charged them, I would probably not be alive today.


My sincerest apologies.

There's no getting out of that situation, and you were smart not to press charges. But why then, would you go so far as to be (please excuse me) dumb enough to harass the guy's girlfriend? Of course you're going to get yourself into a situation like that. I would have taken those injuries as a warning.

Nevertheless, you have my sympathy.



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22 Mar 2009, 7:03 pm

Firstly, that gang used to prey on me every break. Then some of them, amongst them that girl, used to taunt me, point at me and shouting.

"Shooo Look! There goes the freak! He is sick in the head! He got asssschbperg!"

I did not harass her. I stood at line for lunch, when she and her friends came in and pushed me aside. Then I lost it and pushed her back so she fell out of line. And then I started argue with her, calling her "jävla svartskalle" (damn black-head). I usually do not throw insults around me, but I really lost my temper there.

But no one took me seriously when I lost my temper. Because when I lost my temper, it was presumably because of Asperger's syndrome and not of any rational or legitimate reasons.



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22 Mar 2009, 10:04 pm

These people are still controlling your life, because every decision you make is affected by how you were treated by them.

I don't see any reason for assaulting the teacher. She may have been short-sighted and even prejudiced, but she didn't deserve what you did. (A lawsuit for failing to report assault among students would have been much more appropriate.) If there is any way you can find help for controlling this sort of thing, please do so. You may hurt someone completely innocent next time because you cannot control your anger. It reminds me very much of a dog that has been kicked so many times that now it will bite anyone who comes too close, even if that person is bringing it food.

It may not be safe to say you have AS in your area. Actually, I would suggest moving and then keeping it a secret. You have got yourself a reputation as a crazy person, and that is not easy to shake off.

I was also expelled from school for being "crazy", but I know that being angry at people does not do any good. You can't try to hurt them back; you'll only be seen as even more crazy. You have to try to change the things that make it socially acceptable to hurt people of minority race or people with disabilities; that's the only way you'll ever stop them doing things like that--or at least get them properly punished when they do.

Do you live in Germany?


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22 Mar 2009, 10:08 pm

That sucks :(



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23 Mar 2009, 1:15 am

There was NO reason to harrass the girlfriend what so ever. Jesus, technically I'm lower down on the functioning scale and even I know that.
I think, from the whole way you talk ("Subhuman?" What makes them any less of a human than you or me?) and the whole "Glorious aspergia Nation" thing, you have some serious issues.

Dude, ALL of us on this forum either are or were treated like kids (That's why atm I absoloutly despise my school life.) so there is nothing new there. I would have just said "I'm Asperger's/Autistic, not thick or Deaf." and then let them continue.

You did the ENTIRELY wrong thing for most of that, so next time this happens don't deal with it yourself, you are not in a fit mental state to do so IMO.


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23 Mar 2009, 3:59 am

Callista wrote:
Do you live in Germany?

He said Sweden.

Hey Zyborg, if you don't mind me asking...were the Turks after you partially because you are Yugoslavian?



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23 Mar 2009, 6:56 am

LifeOfTheSpectrum wrote:
There was NO reason to harrass the girlfriend what so ever. Jesus, technically I'm lower down on the functioning scale and even I know that.
I think, from the whole way you talk ("Subhuman?" What makes them any less of a human than you or me?) and the whole "Glorious aspergia Nation" thing, you have some serious issues.

Dude, ALL of us on this forum either are or were treated like kids (That's why atm I absoloutly despise my school life.) so there is nothing new there. I would have just said "I'm Asperger's/Autistic, not thick or Deaf." and then let them continue.

You did the ENTIRELY wrong thing for most of that, so next time this happens don't deal with it yourself, you are not in a fit mental state to do so IMO.


I did NOT harass her. She harassed me.

Later on, she claimed that I used to stalk her. That is wrong.


[quote=Zyborg]PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:03 am Post subject:
Firstly, that gang used to prey on me every break. Then some of them, amongst them that girl, used to taunt me, point at me and shouting.

"Shooo Look! There goes the freak! He is sick in the head! He got asssschbperg!"

I did not harass her. I stood at line for lunch, when she and her friends came in and pushed me aside. Then I lost it and pushed her back so she fell out of line. And then I started argue with her, calling her "jävla svartskalle" (damn black-head). I usually do not throw insults around me, but I really lost my temper there.

But no one took me seriously when I lost my temper. Because when I lost my temper, it was presumably because of Asperger's syndrome and not of any rational or legitimate reasons.[/quote]



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23 Mar 2009, 6:59 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Callista wrote:
Do you live in Germany?

He said Sweden.

Hey Zyborg, if you don't mind me asking...were the Turks after you partially because you are Yugoslavian?


Yes, partially.

Hassan tried to befriend me in beginning of college because he wanted help with homework. Of course, I declined. I do not hang out with people like that. Simply. Besides, already then, he did not respect me.

Here, all immigrants are supposed to look at themselves as one group. Lot of them speak with broken Swedish on purpose and hate native Swedes.



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23 Mar 2009, 7:11 am

Zyborg wrote:
I was harassed and intimidated by gangs of youth with immigrant origin. That is because I myself is partially immigrant, but I refused to hang out with them. Before I was diagnosed (age 12), I was actually taken seriously by teachers and break guards. They found it little irritating that I did not interact with any peer, but they accepted my reports as truthful.

But after I was diagnosed in year 1999, it started to rapidly decline. Soon, their only standard reply was "So so. They are just seeking contact. You do not understand what they want. Just be friendly with them."



I was a kid before the AS condition was generally known among physicians and psychologists (I am an Old Aspie). So I, too, was picked on etc etc etc. My solution was to learn how to fight and to fight dirty. After breaking a few arms, my tormentors just left me alone and stopped trying to beat up on me. The sane thing to have done is to have learned how to fight. That is an effective coping mechanism.

The idea is to be let alone enough so you can work out how to live an an overwhelmingly NT world. Face it, mate, people like us are in a tiny minority and it is our burden to learn how to cope with our Difference without trying to deny that there is a Difference. I created some algorithms that enabled me to pass for human. Which is fine. I have been married to an NT for over 53 years and most of my children and grandchildren are NT. One (or perhaps two) might be on the spectrum. The world is mostly NT and that is a fact.

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23 Mar 2009, 7:17 am

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Zyborg wrote:
I was harassed and intimidated by gangs of youth with immigrant origin. That is because I myself is partially immigrant, but I refused to hang out with them. Before I was diagnosed (age 12), I was actually taken seriously by teachers and break guards. They found it little irritating that I did not interact with any peer, but they accepted my reports as truthful.

But after I was diagnosed in year 1999, it started to rapidly decline. Soon, their only standard reply was "So so. They are just seeking contact. You do not understand what they want. Just be friendly with them."



I was a kid before the AS condition was generally known among physicians and psychologists (I am an Old Aspie). So I, too, was picked on etc etc etc. My solution was to learn how to fight and to fight dirty. After breaking a few arms, my tormentors just left me alone and stopped trying to beat up on me. The sane thing to have done is to have learned how to fight. That is an effective coping mechanism.

The idea is to be let alone enough so you can work out how to live an an overwhelmingly NT world. Face it, mate, people like us are in a tiny minority and it is our burden to learn how to cope with our Difference without trying to deny that there is a Difference. I created some algorithms that enabled me to pass for human. Which is fine. I have been married to an NT for over 53 years and most of my children and grandchildren are NT. One (or perhaps two) might be on the spectrum. The world is mostly NT and that is a fact.

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Main problem here is that there was code of honour when you grew up. People did not attack several on one, but one on one. Bullies generally stood passively around victim when it was faced with one of tormentors. And they did not kick on people lying down.

That is difference here.

Another difference is that if I fight back, fight always become my fault, no matter if I have started it or not. Then they called in psychologists.

Today I live in another city and have work. But what makes me bitter is that I have to catch up my lost college year to be able to get enrolled in university. I should not have needed to do it.

So I agree with you in principle. I have always tried to fight back to uphold balance of terror, but I am doing so with my hands tied at back, poetically expressed.



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23 Mar 2009, 8:32 am

Zyborg wrote:

Today I live in another city and have work. But what makes me bitter is that I have to catch up my lost college year to be able to get enrolled in university. I should not have needed to do it.

So I agree with you in principle. I have always tried to fight back to uphold balance of terror, but I am doing so with my hands tied at back, poetically expressed.


Let go of the emotions. They are dragging you down. Past is past and done. Only now and the future matter.

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