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27 Mar 2009, 2:34 pm

My functional IQ report finally came in. It is 60. I was only told before that it was under 70, I I thought it would be higher, like 68 or 69. I mean, my verbal IQ is 131!

He believes my IQ is that compromised by my Asperger's Syndrome and my anxiety disorder. This is a 71 point spread.

I guess this means my AS is moderate? I guess severe would be much lower than I scored. It was kind of a shocker.


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27 Mar 2009, 3:42 pm

It must mean your moderate then, it may be a shocker but it's better than severe don't you think


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27 Mar 2009, 4:19 pm

Whitetiger, what is a Functional IQ?



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27 Mar 2009, 5:13 pm

They interview family and friends using a test instrument called the Vineland II. They then interview you, asking the same questions, and average all the scores. They look at how you function with life skills, socialization and communication. The result corresponds to a functional IQ score.


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28 Mar 2009, 12:20 am

I'm actually very sad about this. The report painted me as really pathetic. I felt like I'd wasted my life with illusions.

The good news is that now I will get help with things and better benefits, though. That's what I most need.

But, tonight I still feel sad about the report and sad about my cat.


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28 Mar 2009, 12:34 am

whitetiger wrote:
I'm actually very sad about this. The report painted me as really pathetic. I felt like I'd wasted my life with illusions.

The good news is that now I will get help with things and better benefits, though. That's what I most need.

But, tonight I still feel sad about the report and sad about my cat.


Did your cat die?

I haven't taken the functional IQ so I'm a little worried. I think that even if I try as hard as I can its going to be pretty low. My IQ isn't that high to begin with.



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28 Mar 2009, 12:43 am

Vineland is good for people with Asperger's and HFA to have done IMO.

It shows the massive discrepancy in academic IQ and functional IQ. People think that if you have a high academic IQ, you will automatically do well at life..., but in reality, your functional IQ can be in the mild mentally ret*d range even if you're a genius, and it's all due to Asperger's, and that's how you function.



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28 Mar 2009, 12:53 am

Danielismyname wrote:
Vineland is good for people with Asperger's and HFA to have done IMO.

It shows the massive discrepancy in academic IQ and functional IQ. People think that if you have a high academic IQ, you will automatically do well at life..., but in reality, your functional IQ can be in the mild mentally ret*d range even if you're a genius, and it's all due to Asperger's, and that's how you function.


I just got done taking an online IQ test. It says I'm 101 which is run of the mill normal, so my functional IQ is going to be much lower then that? I'm probably going to have to try as hard as I can to keep from being in the functionally ret*d category. :oops:



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28 Mar 2009, 12:58 am

It depends on how severe your adaptive functioning is, i.e., how bad your ASD is.

I doubt most people with a PDD/ASD with a normal IQ will score in the normal range on the Vineland Composite (or whatever it's called); in fact, I recall a study that said the same thing and with evidence.

See (from a book on Asperger's):

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The discrepancy between Vineland composite scores and IQ scores can be extremely large, with gaps of three standard deviations favoring the latter being fairly commonplace, forcefully suggesting that these individuals are unable to translate their cognitive strengths into real-life adaptation skills.



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28 Mar 2009, 1:11 am

Danielismyname wrote:
It depends on how severe your adaptive functioning is, i.e., how bad your ASD is.

I doubt most people with a PDD/ASD with a normal IQ will score in the normal range on the Vineland Composite (or whatever it's called); in fact, I recall a study that said the same thing and with evidence.

See (from a book on Asperger's):
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The discrepancy between Vineland composite scores and IQ scores can be extremely large, with gaps of three standard deviations favoring the latter being fairly commonplace, forcefully suggesting that these individuals are unable to translate their cognitive strengths into real-life adaptation skills.


I'm going to take a huge hit then because I'm pretty low functioning. Maybe I'll score higher on an official IQ test though?



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28 Mar 2009, 2:28 am

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whitetiger wrote:
I'm actually very sad about this. The report painted me as really pathetic. I felt like I'd wasted my life with illusions.

The good news is that now I will get help with things and better benefits, though. That's what I most need.

But, tonight I still feel sad about the report and sad about my cat.


Take heart whitetiger.
I feel very similarly to you at present. YOu are not pathetic but you do have AS and that means there are things you struggle with. Some days i find the logistics of life skills so overhwelming. getting showered and making the bed, doing a washing up and then cooking a meal (the latter is HELL some days for me) is SO hard. GOing to the shops can be like a frigging horror show because of sensory issues and these in turn impact on my capacity to get through basic tasks.
I went to see my psych this week. I asked him "do you think i may have ADHD as well?' I can rarely keep still. I cannot stand still. I stim almost continuously and it is really hard> i rock. i toe walk in bare feet and i cannot stand in a queue without pacing and moving back and forth on my feet like a flip. That is how it feels.
My psych said "yes. it's quite likely you have ADHD as well."

i've known this for a while - or suspected it anyway.

but the process of accepting certain factors about ourselves if we get dx'ed later in life can be REALLY painful.
up until last year i lived in a kind of fantasy that one day i would miraculously OVERCOME AND CONQUER certain deficits.
these days i know that is not the case.

I love who i am. I don't want to change who i am.
But the acceptance of certain realities, unencumbered, and not embellished by hopeful fantasies can be difficult.

Good luck> i am so glad you are on WP.
and may peace be with you and your cat in cat heaven. :)



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28 Mar 2009, 4:17 am

I can never stand still either. I usually pace back and forth. While sitting down I fidget and shake my leg. Is shaking my leg stimming? I have attention problems and I'm pretty impulsive. I know I probably have ADHD too.

I had a little dog that was my best friend. When he died I was never quite the same. I had another dog for many years as well and it was hard when he passed too.



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28 Mar 2009, 9:38 am

Well, I don't know if they do those scales on adults, but I do know that the doctor Mom took me to for being a brat (i.e., "oppositional defiant") said I was functioning about as well as a four year old. I was nine at the time. (Social and self-regulation skills were much lower. I was still in the toddler range for those.) Mom didn't believe him because I had straight A's in school; neither did I. I think I believe him now.

I guess if you use the age ratio, that translates to a functional IQ of 44, which would imply that I'm functioning as well as an 11 year old now. Not too far off the mark. Way higher in some areas, way lower in other areas, as is normal for autistic people.

So you're not the only one who is lower on "functional" IQ than academic skills. In fact, I'm willing to bet that most people here have that trait--some very strikingly so.


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28 Mar 2009, 9:46 am

whitetiger wrote:
My functional IQ report finally came in. It is 60. I was only told before that it was under 70, I I thought it would be higher, like 68 or 69. I mean, my verbal IQ is 131!

He believes my IQ is that compromised by my Asperger's Syndrome and my anxiety disorder. This is a 71 point spread.

I guess this means my AS is moderate? I guess severe would be much lower than I scored. It was kind of a shocker.


Any test that scores YOU by other peoples opinions, and/or is subjective, is subject to EXTREME error! Frankly, I would consider it WORTHLESS!



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28 Mar 2009, 3:25 pm

How did you get a PHD with a ret*d functional IQ? Shouldn't you be in an institution or what?



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28 Mar 2009, 3:47 pm

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How did you get a PHD with a ret*d functional IQ? Shouldn't you be in an institution or what?



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go down to the mall and play with your friends. this is an autism site. 8O 8O 8O :evil: