my newfound philosophy, partially thanks to you folks

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03 Apr 2009, 12:45 am

Ever since those 48 Laws of Power, it's like my brain was jumpstarted, making connections I've never made before.

During that, I came up with a newfound philosophy regarding life, and I wanted to share it with all of you, since it was you that got me to really think.

Basically, this was what I copied and pasted from what I sent my boss( yes, I'm showing it to everyone):



I showed the 48 Laws to my Dad, and he flipped out, going "these laws are crazy, and so intensely loaded with contradictions...", to which I responded "and most human behavior ISN'T?"

I then said to him "THIS is what humans SHOULD follow", pointing to his book Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, "but THIS is what they DO follow", I said, pointing to the Laws.

From that point on, I started making a thousand connections regarding human behavior that I never made before...started seeing things "outside of the box" if you will.

One thing I figured out was simply this: there's nature, and then there's the nature of humans. Nature is run by logic. Humans are for the most part run by emotion. Sure, they're blown away by science & technology, but show 'em a new philosophy, no matter how good, and they're totally freaked out by it.

Nature and the Nature of Humans clash constantly; need proof? Check history. There have been WAAAAAAAAAY more "downtimes" than there have been "upswings" for civilization, and the very reason for that is due to one law I absolutely loved, cause I hear it all the time, is this:

People don't like change; they like the IDEA of it, but they don't like it.

Change frightens and confuses people. Take the Enlightenment: things were going swell 'til Emmanuel Kant released his philosophy which came down to: "reject reason, go with your feelings and emotion". At the drop of a hat, his philosophy was embraced like crazy, cause it was what people were already used to, and had been used to since Day 1.

This is where my mentality about voting came in: You could press the "reset" button on the Constitution tomorrow, give it 1 year, we'd be back exactly where we are now, cause THAT'S HOW PEOPLE LIKE IT.

That's how people did things during Ogg the Caveman's days, during Ancient Egypt, Greek & Roman era, Medieval Times, and so on and so forth.

Sure...the signing of the Constitution and the Revolutionary War were a major feat for civilization...and HOW long did the preservations of the won freedoms last? Ohhh...about 15 years, barely....

I don't care if we live in a Democratic Republic, or where we live: money is power, and it comes down to that.

The golden rule is "whoever has the gold makes the rules", and you yourself even know how true that is.

The whole thing about Republican Vs Democrat? Total joke, pretty much.

People are seeing it from such an enclosed spectrum it ain't even funny.

I mean...one night I decided to head to Rush Limbaugh's website, and...after discovering my newfound philosophy, the whole thing just seems so hammy and lame.

It's a bunch of people arguing over nothing, cause they think it actually makes a significant impact; it doesn't. What makes the impact is MONEY.

Yes, I'm a free-market Capitalist, but I also realize most of the world ISN'T, and never WILL be...hell, they don't even understand what it is.

In fact, another point I'd like to make: take the Great Depression. I've said many times in the past it was government sabotage that caused it. Well...yes, but there's more to it.

Were people attempting to live beyond their means when they couldn't afford to? Sure...but they've been doing that since the days of Aristotle; nothing different there. I've always said we see more bad economies in our life than good economies...hell, if you're lucky you'll see maybe 7 years of a good economy at best, before downtime.

But to top that off, what is government? People. People elected by OTHER people. And regardless of what the people say about the elected officials, those officials DO represent the people and their desires. I'm not by any stretch saying most of those desires are well-thought out, either, which explains quite a bit, which is again, why I say "oh, but they DO represent you".

So, do humans ever choose to make improvements? Yeah, sure...but usually those improvements only last for a short time; then it's right back to Stupidville.

Now, while I see most humans now basically as I've described, there's a very tiny minority of humans who are a cut above the rest, make everything work, keep everything going, and come up with all the innovations. These humans are the "odd man out", who handle everything "behind the curtain" so to speak. These are, as far as I'm concerned, that 2% ya hear about.

The funny thing is...this 2% usually does it for the commonfolk, because these humans are so damn smart, they don't really need the commonfolk to make their lives better; they already know how to do it on their own.

So, that's my take on the whole issue, and why I'm really questioning voting now; I'll give two more national elections and chance, and if I see no improvement, no longer voting. I MIGHT still do it for state, but we'll see.

I hope you've enjoyed learning about my new philosophical outlook; it really opened my eyes, and feel so free now.

And one other thing you should know: when you hear all that jive about "inflation", understand one simple thing...it all comes back to money, again. So, when that loaf of bread suddenly costs $10, make sure you have $20; that's all there is to it. :)



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03 Apr 2009, 3:22 am

No. Humanity has had more "uptimes" than "downtimes." During most of our history, we have lived in relative peace. The Roman Empire, for most of its history, was ruled with many of the same attitudes of modern government; they even made great, arms-wide gestures of cultural liberalism.

The reason that humanity seems fated to misery is simple: the most positive experience in life is doing a full day's work with coworkers you enjoy the company of, looking forward to a good supper, having the time to play with your children, and having the energy to make more children. It's very repetitive, so nobody really takes note of it.

The most important thing to understand about humanity, though, is that we are really just a variety of ape. Trying to be something better is tough, but I honestly think we spend most of our time doing a fair job of it.



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03 Apr 2009, 6:54 am

I think you're absolutely right, ThisisjusthowItalk- the majority of human beings live together peacefully and try to do the right thing most of the time. It's easy to get a negative impression from the nightly news or reading the newspapers, but most of humanity's not too bad. :)



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03 Apr 2009, 9:09 am

ThisisjusthowItalk wrote:
No. Humanity has had more "uptimes" than "downtimes." During most of our history, we have lived in relative peace. The Roman Empire, for most of its history, was ruled with many of the same attitudes of modern government; they even made great, arms-wide gestures of cultural liberalism.


The most of our history, we lived in war. The Roman Empire and peace within the "Rich Club of the West" since 1945 is the exception. Genocide was for millennia a normal of warfare (read here the Bible - even the incidents may be not true, the way of making war by killing all people in country or town was obviously seen as morally acceptable; look what Alexander the Great did to Tyros or Rome to Carthage, read Caesar's Gallian War, lookup the Siege of Magdeburg, the suppression of the Northern Revolt by Elizabeth I, etc. etc. etc.; the list shear endless and bloody).

ThisisjusthowItalk wrote:
The most important thing to understand about humanity, though, is that we are really just a variety of ape.


Oh yes - and our one of our closed relatives, the chimpanzees are famous for blood war and killing each other.

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But I must admire that knowing this history our current societies are remarkable peaceful.



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03 Apr 2009, 9:21 am

We're quite far away from chimps, really. It's not that we're emotionally so different; it's just that having the ability to use sophisticated tools, pass information along via symbolic language, and create large-scale societies has changed who we are. It's not a matter of natural selection anymore; not much, anyway. We're working with information now. Information--about culture, about philosophy, about engineering--is our heritage more than our DNA ever will be.


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03 Apr 2009, 10:24 am

Callista wrote:
We're quite far away from chimps, really. It's not that we're emotionally so different; it's just that having the ability to use sophisticated tools, pass information along via symbolic language, and create large-scale societies has changed who we are. It's not a matter of natural selection anymore; not much, anyway. We're working with information now. Information--about culture, about philosophy, about engineering--is our heritage more than our DNA ever will be.


Perhaps the main difference is today engineering - weapon engineering. When Napoleon attacked Habsburg's empire there was not danger of immediately destroying France for ever. If the USA would attack today Russia (or vice versa) both nations (ant the rest of the world) would be certainly totally destroyed within minutes.

So our reason must keep our chimpanzee mind in control.

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This pattern is not that new: The beginning of International Law to canalize warfare is marked by the destruction of the Thirty Years' War. The finally ban on war as legitimate mean of politics is marked by both World Wars.

We can keep our killer instincts, inherited from the chimpanzee in control, but only so far it is necessary.



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03 Apr 2009, 11:21 am

Callista wrote:
We're quite far away from chimps, really. It's not that we're emotionally so different;



Chimps lie and murder. Humans lie and murder. We are very close in essence. We are far apart in the ability to handle abstractions.

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05 Apr 2009, 12:33 am

Wow....when the folks on this forum don't even get what I'm saying, now I'm scared; you guys understand me better than anyone else, and even you're being sucked into the vacuum of "within the box" that the majority of others I've tried to explain this to did.

When I said "downtimes", I wasn't necessarily referring to war...I was actually referring to economically, and in many cases even times of mass ignorance, barbarism, and faith-based belief, such as the Dark Ages.

I never said humans were by nature evil or anything...I said they're run by emotion over logic, for the most part.

True change scares the living &^%$ out of most people, as they're already perfectly comfortable with their lives...they just want to complain to feel important.

Now that I believe that I've seen the "forest for the trees", I feel so free it's uncanny. It all just makes so much sense to me, now...

I also showed my argument to my boss at work....he LOVED it.



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05 Apr 2009, 12:48 am

The realization is the most important part; don't let the reaction of others lessen how you feel... enjoy the clarity and work to incorporate the understanding into your daily life. I think the recognition that humanity is driven by conflicting and erratically charged forces is something to work from.


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05 Apr 2009, 1:04 am

Well, Doc, if you're planning on abandoning the one thing that actually stands an outside chance of letting you effect any kind of change - voting - then what's the point of your philosophical epiphany? Or have you chosen to simply surrender to the lure of nihilism?


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05 Apr 2009, 1:10 am

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Well, Doc, if you're planning on abandoning the one thing that actually stands an outside chance of letting you effect any kind of change - voting - then what's the point of your philosophical epiphany? Or have you chosen to simply surrender to the lure of nihilism?


Now, I expected more out of you than that; voting changes nothing, because again..the majority of people will make sure to keep voting in the same politicians over and over again to avoid any drastic change...and then when some good ones are voted in, lousy ones will be voted in later on to erase any positive impact that was made.

I can do a lot to benefit this world...and voting isn't one of those things.



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05 Apr 2009, 1:18 am

Ah, but by not voting you are ensuring that you have no effect; by voting, small pressures change impressions over time. Reactionary inaction serves you how? There is so much that one can do, is it such a terrible thing to make that effort? Not trying to be inflammatory; asking in all seriousness.


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05 Apr 2009, 1:50 am

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Ah, but by not voting you are ensuring that you have no effect; by voting, small pressures change impressions over time. Reactionary inaction serves you how? There is so much that one can do, is it such a terrible thing to make that effort? Not trying to be inflammatory; asking in all seriousness.


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I can have effect in many other ways. And when the majority of the candidates stand for exactly the same thing, little gets changed.

My basic mentality on this now is simply this: follow the money. See if you can figure out what I'm getting at. :)



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05 Apr 2009, 1:52 am

makuranososhi wrote:
The realization is the most important part; don't let the reaction of others lessen how you feel... enjoy the clarity and work to incorporate the understanding into your daily life. I think the recognition that humanity is driven by conflicting and erratically charged forces is something to work from.


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and I'm not letting it lessen how I feel; just trying to better clarify my ideas is all..maybe even inspire some people.



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05 Apr 2009, 1:53 am

*chuckle* Completely understand; I don't agree, as I find money more a necessary evil than a functional device, but I do understand... for me, there is little value in money beyond the fact that it works at this time.


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Wow....when the folks on this forum don't even get what I'm saying, now I'm scared; you guys understand me better than anyone else, and even you're being sucked into the vacuum of "within the box" that the majority of others I've tried to explain this to did.

When I said "downtimes", I wasn't necessarily referring to war...I was actually referring to economically, and in many cases even times of mass ignorance, barbarism, and faith-based belief, such as the Dark Ages.

I never said humans were by nature evil or anything...I said they're run by emotion over logic, for the most part.

True change scares the living &^%$ out of most people, as they're already perfectly comfortable with their lives...they just want to complain to feel important.

Now that I believe that I've seen the "forest for the trees", I feel so free it's uncanny. It all just makes so much sense to me, now...

I also showed my argument to my boss at work....he LOVED it.


Yet another deligthfully humble post from the Doctor82.

Your powers of self-appraisal are unmatchable.

keep working on the new philosophy..... :wink: