Child psycopaths/narcists with AS

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Okay... Anyone else who can relate to this? I never got it explained. My entire behaviour was always blamed on my AS.

Even as a five year old, I felt like a God. I adressed other children as "slaves" and if someone didn't acknowledge me as a demi-god or ruler, I would freak out and throw a tantrum.
I never had respect for authorities. I always opposed teachers and enjoyed creating scenes around me where I told people how ugly and worthless they were. I was an extreme attention whore and could go into a violent rage if I was somehow overlooked or ignored.

I picked up information about my teachers and other adults and already back in first grade I lectured teachers and made them cry. I found their mental weakspots and I enjoyed hurting them. I think many were hurt more because they never expected a child to get under their skin.

I always identified with megalomaniac villains in cartoons and felt angry when the ugly, lowly and self righteous good guys beat them.

I didn't accept adults adressing me in a disrespectful way or ordering me around. If the adult was strong willed, I would cry and play the victim and seek shelter at someone else and have them sympathize with me. If the adult was weak-willed and had low self esteem I would break them down until their eyes were red and they had to go on sick leave for the rest of the week. If no one was willing to sympathize with me I would just drown myself in self-pity, shut myself in my own world and scream as much as I could to make others feel uncomfortable or even panic. I would act as if I was dying or seriously hurt.

Some of this is tied to my AS of course, but I never got it properly explained and no AS resources ever helped me in any way. They just hurt my self-esteem and made me hate society even more.

it could be AS, but then again it could be utter inmaturity, lack of compassion and amorality.

I would like to know how you make your living? How do you get along with your boss or supervisor. School doesn't count, as you pay them, but when you work they pay you.


Merle

I get $1500 in government support every month and I live with my parents. My omnipotent behaviour made me fail in school, despite being called "my most gifted student ever" by many professionals in different fields. Failing in normal society actually enhanced my AS traits which I managed to supress for many years. I went back into my own world. I'm unable to have a boss because working for someone I didn't judge as worthy, would just make me want to kill him and if it wasn't the boss it would be something else that ticked me off and made me want to start scenes.

I've tried supressing my arrogant side but somewhere along the way there's always something that annoys me and makes me change from helpful and compassionate to someone who truly loathe others and view them as vermin.

Is this for AS ? Where do you live ?

Sweden. It's standard sick-payment + special AS/special needs compensation + living compensation for paying my father for rent.

Without the two latter it would just be a standard minimum sick pay (since I never had an income it's calculated with a minimum guarantee limit) of $800-900 or something like that.

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is that 1500 SEK(Krona)? you used the $ symbol so I was wondering.

Merle

This behaviour appears to be related to AS in my opinion. It is an extreme personality. I was reading another post where the subject was about Aspies with the personality that wants to help and please everyone, altruistic in nature. Don't believe it is diifuclt to hold the notion that people with AS can have extreme personality opposites.

I tend to be alturistic in personality and it has many negatives in life. I'm not sure what I would class your personality but it is an extreme opposite to altruistic. Obviously your personality has its negatives as well, somewhere in between would be nice.

No, it's around 13 000 kronor all in all. It equals a lower worker wage in Sweden. 1500 kronor would be around $200, it's not enough to even buy food for a month if you don't live on noodles, and I require a very healthy and balanced diet with fresh fish and vegetables, among other things.

However, since I live at home I'm not economically crippled and can actually buy stuff, it's also the main reason why I'm not leaving home. I don't want to sit in an apartment all alone with no future and maybe $300 to use as I please every month. As it is now I can save or spend $1200 per month, or so. I had cosmetic surgery and I buy designer clothes. If I just lived on my own with poor economy I wouldn't even have that as a purpose. I would have nothing in my life. Nothing to look forward to, nothing to make me happy.

I've noticed that a lot of aspies and other beaten nerds seem to have a fantasy goal of "world domination". I use to at one time but it's gotten so cliche that I'm no longer interested in taking over the world.

Just give me a s**tload of money and let me enjoy my money and life in self-isolation.

Last edited by raisedbyignorance on 08 May 2009, 7:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Funny thing with me is, I'm also altruistic and like to help people. These two conflicting sides, the narcist/psychopath and the compassionate samarite switch on and off and conflicts with my self-image. Has been so all my life even though my compassionate side grew as I got older.
I think I have more conflicting personality types as well. I can't decide who or what I am but all these extremes do exist in me and my modd and personality can switch in the blink of an eye and last for days, weeks or minutes.

I didn't get narcisistic when I realized I had "failed" in society, I was always like that. Even as a five year old I thought of myself as a God who wanted world domination and I hadn't by that time been exposed to the alienation of being an aspie, for real. I even had quite a few friends.

Of course, I also just want lots of money and a live in isolation. Preferably with someone I can love and who loves me.

psychopaths and autistics have little in common and I think it's a dangerous trend to try to morph the two. Psychopaths care little about justice and rules.

You have had cosmetic surgery, buy designer clothing only stay at home because you get the money from your "AS". Okay if this pattern continues where people claim psychopaths and aspergers have so much in common then there are going to be more people like you falsely milking the system for a condition you don't really have unless aspergers really is apart of the anti-social personality disorder spectrum.

I don't understand why there are many replies here not bringing up how psychopaths and autistics share little in common. Are people too afraid now in this place to say anything pertaining to that subject and if so, why?

I'm guessing this is going to piss a few people off but this is my honest opinion. Take it or leave it.

I think I'm both aspie as well as having personality disorders on top of that. People compare me to Patrick Bateman and to swedish serial killer "The Laser Man" a lot, both psychopaths and sure I fit the description and can even relate to them but, there's also the aspie side.
In some way, I do have asperger and I am diagnosed with it. I had obsessive interests as a child, I had a very compulsive mind etc.

I think Hitler was an example of a combined aspie/narcist/schizoid psychopath type. What made Hitler so unique was his presumed asperger mixed with psychopathy.

My mother is NT, and she's a light psychopath with clear narcistic tendencies. She even admited she usually has the feeling of being "chosen" and "above" others and this also was her driving force to perform well in her career. My grandfather on her side was a light AS type. My father is a sort of AS type, his father was a sort of light AS as well. My mother's mother had strong drama queen histrionic/borderline tendencies as well as bipolar symptomes and was treated for attempting suicide and severe depression.
My family is from the upper middle classes/lower upper classes by the way, not genetic waste from some trailer park. They are crazy but succesful and most are highly intelligent, on both sides of the family.

I have only slightly nutty and excentric people in my close family. I think it's possible to actually be aspie AND have psychopathic disorders at the same time. I am a living proof and I think Hitler, among others, were too.

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I'll leave it. Having co-morbids with AS is pretty well known, so I didn't have a problem with that. I was just interested how he made his living, as having a job means you have to take s**t from somebody.

Merle

Co-morbids found with aspergers. NOT psychopath

Sensory Processing Disorder (SPD)
Although not officially a diagnostic category in the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), sensory processing disorder is widespread among all individuals on the autism spectrum, including those with Asperger’s Syndrome. Individuals with AS are usually over-responsive to sensory stimuli; loud noises, scratchy clothing, and unusual textures all serve as sources of irritation among those with AS.

Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)
According to an article published on Medscape, one study of children with Asperger’s Syndrome showed that 62.5% of the participants also showed clinical symptoms indicating attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

Anxiety
Anxiety is extremely common among individuals with Asperger’s Syndrome. According to Tony Attwood, “We know that more people with autism spectrum disorder (ASD, e.g. Asperger’s syndrome, autism) experience anxiety and depression than people who do not have ASD.” Anxiety can take the form of obsessive-compulsive disorder, specific fears and phobias, and generalized anxieties.

Depression
According to an SMHAI study, approximately 1 in 15 individuals with Asperger’s Syndrome also meet the diagnostic criteria for depression. It is unknown exactly what causes the depression but it is likely that it is a combination between the individual’s realization of their difference from their peers and the ostracizing that occurs from these peers. Bullying is an extremely common problem among individuals with AS; this bullying could very likely lead to an increased rate of depression among the AS population.