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Psychiatry is a pseudo science Discuss

I always considered it to be a pseudo science because I was abused and experimented on by psychiatrists even though they never had any real evidence for anything.

Are you using "psychiatry" interchangeably with psychology, or saying psychiatry alone is flawed? I agree with the latter.

let us pray god brings swift death to these bastards.

Pehaps science is a spectrum?

Physics, mechanical engineering, chemistry, are at one end. Moving towards the centre we have astronomy and geology (and many others). ..

Psychiatry and psychology are right out at the other end. Would psychiatry be 'more' scientific than psychology? I don't know, but if anything evoloutionary psychology is in a worse position as it is has less of the objective rigor we expect of science than even regular psychology.

Oh you mean the physical sciences are "hard sciences" and the ones at the other end psychology and sociology etc are "soft sciences"?

So the more inferences and less hard empirical evidence the softer the science?

Interesting how you've put the mathematical object orientated pattern based "proofs" at one and the more intuitive based social emotional analysis at the other.

Two different styles of thinking?

What about the sciences vs the humanities?


It would be nice if some of psychology had some objective medical tests though.

I'm more comfortable with the sciences of amount and "stuff" like chemistry.
If it's matter, measurable and I can hold it in my hands, I tend to feel more comfortable and in control.

I feel less comfortable about trying to speculate what's going on in someone's head though because I frequently get that wrong...

Science spectrum? Oh, I like that. But is Psychiatry on the Science spectrum? Let's find out.

First, it must fit two of the four of these DSM IV criteria for being on the spectrum:

Hmmm, we can stop already. Clearly Psychiatry is not on the Science Spectrum.

It would be nice if that really was the case. But then all science is actually conducted through the human mind..... It's not like physicists are immune from egotistical behaviour and/or chemical imbalances in the brain.

Aren't the psychiatric models different, perhaps even in opposition to, the psychoanalytical models? Psychoanalysts rarely talk of "chemical imbalances in the brain" and psychiatrists rarely talk of the 'oedipal complex'. Other than when they are deriding the other school of thought, that is.

I recall reading somewhere a statement to the effect: "for a long time we believed science was building a map of the universe. Now we know this is not quite right, science is building a map of a human being building a map of the universe."

Sometimes it's hard enough to get 2 engineers to agree on anything, though...

It's someone's representation and interpretation of the territory.

Someone's point of view is just that, a frame of reference.


When I look out of my eyes I have to try and remember that it is me seeing the world as I am, not the world as it is.

Whenever anyone looks out there's always a mental filter there.

Medicine is normative, period.

The arrogance it takes bewilders me perhaps we should take a class action but i dont consider them bastards just sick and deluded,

I am a psychiatrist (with AS).

A really good one, actually, Harvard trained.

Those who will work with me get on average 92% improved/back to normal, over three visits within one month typically.
I use the scientific method to help people get well, that is - back to their normal baseline as defined by the patient - without side effects.
I work in a collaborative, we-are-equals in this endeavor, manner.
Once well to the satisfaction of the patient, I send the patient on.

People seek me out. Because I have now the reputation of being helpful. I never ever seek any patient. I prefer to be left alone.

But honestly I could not care less if I never, ever see another patient. It is a massive drain.

But you are all correct. I don't simply wish to be left alone. I am instead: evil, I am an arrogant ba$tard, I am sick and deluded, I want control over other people, I just experiment for grins, etc.etc.etc.

I am the enemy. I should be killed.

And I am one of you.

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Is this person for real? Because it seems to me that, with the exception of one person here, we're all sorta focused on the Science aspect of this and not whether you were born out of wedlock.

It's hard to tell via email if you're being tongue-in-cheek or serious, but it seems a bit extreme to lump every poster under this umbrella (and throwing in other invented invective) merely to exacerbate your own 'hurt'. Truth be told, I'm taking this whole thread with a decided lack of seriousness -- as if we the people could rule on whether Psychiatry is going to be considered a science. Oh, pshaw.

Now stop taking offense (if you aren't joking too) and use this as an opportunity to see what your potential patients might tell each other that they wouldn't tell you!

If you ARE joking around with us, then: Good one!

"let us pray god brings swift death to these bastards."

Does it sound to be a joke?



Why would I joke on this matter.

Good Bye.

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Well, according to your other posts I've read, this (if serious) seems to be a bit of hypocrisy. For example, you wrote this to Psygirl on another thread (with a wonderful lapse into Olde English grammar structure, I might add):

So is this now your responsibility for taking offense here? Of course not. It's a normal reaction to having your field attacked. I get to stave it off daily in the IT field. And maybe Nightbender is smarting from dealing with a non-Harvard trained Psychiatrist. Or perhaps he's just having fun and joking in his own AS way? Maybe a little of each. He's raging "against the machine".

But Nightbender's post doesn't bother me as much and I know why. Nightbender isn't claiming to be a professional who provides help to others. In a field where understanding and a degree of empathy are requirements. But to get upset at one person? And then to rail at the group of posters? It's like shooting a fly with a shotgun. It also smacks of beating victims in a way that is designed to get to them by using your education and unique understanding. That can be worse than name-calling.

I bear you no ill will, sir, but if you truly wish to be 'left alone' you have a funny way of going about it

You're welcome to email me at any point. You sound like a fascinating person and I'd love to hear what's eating at you (sincerely, I'm not being facetious). Overall, your posts generally show good-will. Who knows, maybe I can be of help to you as a sounding board

The statement is obviously false

The field of psychiatry is huge emcompassing many different subfields and overlapping with many other fields (such as neurology).

Anyone who claims the entire field of psychiatry is a pseudo-science is either not rational or does not understand the concept of science, let alone scientific method. As with every field of science, there are many different methods of collecting and representing data.

Was there anything specific parts of the field you wished to discuss?