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14 May 2007, 8:48 am

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actually it has no relation to intelligence, and 'spiritual' people have a evolutionary advantage apparently...

plus just because we know where our brains effect us under spiritual situations doesnt mean there isnt a being that made us and made us with this 'Antenna'...

You don't have to be religious to be spiritual. :roll:


thats what i say all the time...

religion is Man trying to understand the spiritual

just like Physics is man trying to understand the physical...

But there is logic and evidence behind physics. Religion is completely irrational.



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14 May 2007, 8:57 am

Sopho wrote:
Aspie_for_the_Lord wrote:
Sopho wrote:
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actually it has no relation to intelligence, and 'spiritual' people have a evolutionary advantage apparently...

plus just because we know where our brains effect us under spiritual situations doesnt mean there isnt a being that made us and made us with this 'Antenna'...

You don't have to be religious to be spiritual. :roll:


thats what i say all the time...

religion is Man trying to understand the spiritual

just like Physics is man trying to understand the physical...

But there is logic and evidence behind physics. Religion is completely irrational.


it isnt irrational, it just doesnt follow the physical/natural laws - but it is logical, and high level Maths and Metaphysics both support a supernatural dimension


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14 May 2007, 8:59 am

Aspie_for_the_Lord wrote:
and high level Maths and Metaphysics both support a supernatural dimension

Please explain.



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14 May 2007, 9:09 am

Sopho wrote:
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and high level Maths and Metaphysics both support a supernatural dimension

Please explain.


it is understood that what is seen via the scientific Method is only a partial view of the true reality... is cannot explain everything.

logic dictates that, if it cannot explain everything, then there is more than that which is observes.

there are things we know there should be answers for, but which the Scientific method cannot operate with.

it is believed in metaphysics and high level maths (maths confirm it) that there are other dimensions that we lack the ability to monitor at present that impact our threedimensional universe travelling through the fourth dimension.

the answer to these require us to look outside the framework we use to observe the first four dimensions, but the scientific method only works for the observable... these higher dimensions are beyond our comprehansion and ability to manipulate or percieve outside of mathematics...

its heady stuff, but basically the most intelligant scientists are realising this, and are stumped...

one example of the blockage is the begining of time... the scientific method falls apart when looking before a billionth of a second after the universe was created...


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14 May 2007, 9:10 am

Aspie_for_the_Lord wrote:
it isnt irrational, it just doesnt follow the physical/natural laws - but it is logical, and high level Maths and Metaphysics both support a supernatural dimension


Very true - at the moment the evidence is very much in support of a supernatural dimension, even though it is causing a lot of consternation amongst physicists in particular.

An example is the Big Bang. As I understand it, the maths just doesn't allow for the spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing without an intervention of some sort. Therefore, the logic follows that there must have been some form of divine intelligence that triggered the whole thing. Whether or not that was the sole divine intervention is another matter, depending on people's outlook.


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14 May 2007, 9:11 am

But none of this means there must be some kind of god.



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14 May 2007, 9:14 am

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But none of this means there must be some kind of god.


that wasnt what you were asking me to explain...

im saying there is a SUPERNATURAL dimension, or even dimensions...

which are seperate to the obervable laws and impact our universe...


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14 May 2007, 9:15 am

Aspie_for_the_Lord wrote:
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But none of this means there must be some kind of god.


that wasnt what you were asking me to explain...

im saying there is a SUPERNATURAL dimension, or even dimensions...

which are seperate to the obervable laws and impact our universe...

Yes, you were talking about that to support your claims about religion/spirituality. Otherwise you've just changed the conversation entirely in which case it doesn't matter.



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14 May 2007, 9:23 am

Sopho wrote:
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But none of this means there must be some kind of god.


that wasnt what you were asking me to explain...

im saying there is a SUPERNATURAL dimension, or even dimensions...

which are seperate to the obervable laws and impact our universe...

Yes, you were talking about that to support your claims about religion/spirituality. Otherwise you've just changed the conversation entirely in which case it doesn't matter.


what is funny, is that you refuse to consider the possability that there might be a being that started out universe... but yet i am willing to consider that it might be due to purely unknown non intelligent processes...

are you not will ing to consider the possability that we could have a creator?

you are looking at it from a biased standpoint


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14 May 2007, 9:24 am

Aspie_for_the_Lord wrote:
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Aspie_for_the_Lord wrote:
Sopho wrote:
But none of this means there must be some kind of god.


that wasnt what you were asking me to explain...

im saying there is a SUPERNATURAL dimension, or even dimensions...

which are seperate to the obervable laws and impact our universe...

Yes, you were talking about that to support your claims about religion/spirituality. Otherwise you've just changed the conversation entirely in which case it doesn't matter.


what is funny, is that you refuse to consider the possability that there might be a being that started out universe... but yet i am willing to consider that it might be due to purely unknown non intelligent processes...

are you not will ing to consider the possability that we could have a creator?

you are looking at it from a biased standpoint

No, I have never said that I KNOW there is no god. I have always said that, to me, it seems ridiculous, but yes it is POSSIBLE.
Bye AftL.



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14 May 2007, 9:29 am

On a completely different note:

Do you think my new avatar is OK?

Cheers

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14 May 2007, 9:31 am

Cernunnos wrote:
On a completely different note:

Do you think my new avatar is OK?

Cheers

Cashew


cute, and very disney


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14 May 2007, 9:57 am

I like it but it is strange seeing you with a long avatar and not a wide one :


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14 May 2007, 9:59 am

Aspie_for_the_Lord wrote:
Cernunnos wrote:
On a completely different note:

Do you think my new avatar is OK?

Cheers

Cashew


cute, and very disney


Hmm, not sure about the "cute" bit :lol:


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14 May 2007, 10:05 am

Cernunnos wrote:
Aspie_for_the_Lord wrote:
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On a completely different note:

Do you think my new avatar is OK?

Cheers

Cashew


cute, and very disney


Hmm, not sure about the "cute" bit :lol:

I miss the old one - could sit and stare at it for hours... :wink:
cartoon foxes just don`t provide the same level of `eye candy` :lol:


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14 May 2007, 10:06 am

This Robin Hood uses his cuteness, as opposed to brawn, to convince the rich to hand him their money. When that doesn't work, there are Little John and others to rough the nobility up.