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25 Sep 2007, 9:02 pm

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you do know that 'Feminazis' don't give a hoot about how you feel about them, don't you?


I don't care...

Extremists are never good.
Chauvinists have a degrading view on either sex saying one is somehow not worth as much as the other.
But going to the other extreme of trying to claim that men and women are exactly the same is also counterproductive.
A persons value would be determined by their capabilities for a specific situation or task, not their gender.
Being different isn't a bad thing and doesn't mean we shouldn't have equal rights.



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25 Sep 2007, 9:32 pm

ion wrote:
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you do know that 'Feminazis' don't give a hoot about how you feel about them, don't you?


I don't care...

Extremists are never good.
Chauvinists have a degrading view on either sex saying one is somehow not worth as much as the other.
But going to the other extreme of trying to claim that men and women are exactly the same is also counterproductive.
A persons value would be determined by their capabilities for a specific situation or task, not their gender.
Being different isn't a bad thing and doesn't mean we shouldn't have equal rights.


Simply because there is a logical extreme is no evidence that is where the 'Feminazis' stand on the spectrum of simply moderate extremity or extreme extremity. Not a lot of what any of us think and believe would bear the light if taken to its logical extreme.



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25 Sep 2007, 9:53 pm

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exactly! Feminazis are a construct of those who would suggest that women are shooting themselves in the foot because they are not conforming to what others would have them be.

I believe the term is used to women who are extreme on their feminist ideology, that it endangers men's rights because of it, and it turns out to be the other way around, for example, some have said that women are never abusive or agresive to a man, and if they do, it is because of male opression, which is ridiculous to make that as a generalization. So it can turn out sexism against men.

I believe there are a few women, not all of course, who might have a horrible abusive experience from men, husband, or father, might end up in an extreme or perhaps somehow distorted view about men, misandries. Of course not all feminists are like that.

I am for equality, of course, but always in a way that do justice for both sides, not one more than the other.


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25 Sep 2007, 11:07 pm

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sinsboldly wrote:
exactly! Feminazis are a construct of those who would suggest that women are shooting themselves in the foot because they are not conforming to what others would have them be.

I believe the term is used to women who are extreme on their feminist ideology, that it endangers men's rights because of it, and it turns out to be the other way around, for example, some have said that women are never abusive or agresive to a man, and if they do, it is because of male opression, which is ridiculous to make that as a generalization. So it can turn out sexism against men.

I believe there are a few women, not all of course, who might have a horrible abusive experience from men, husband, or father, might end up in an extreme or perhaps somehow distorted view about men, misandries. Of course not all feminists are like that.

I am for equality, of course, but always in a way that do justice for both sides, not one more than the other.


I am grateful to you for taking a moment of your time to educate me as to what the term 'Feminazi' might imply.
I have been assumed to be a Feminazi for those ditto heads who called me one as long as the term has been used for the syndrome. I am very familiar with the term.

Horrible and abusive experiences have a way of creating people whether they would or not. It becomes tiresome to point out to those who would reinterpret actions and reactions by the dictates of some preconceived diagnostic 'catch-all'; as not being 'frigid' or 'damaged' by some oppression would be the only motivation for my behaviour choices.

in short, you don't have to be a freak to not want to be defined by someone else or even social norms. What adds insult to injury is when people decide what your role should be and harshly critize if you deviate from that role by effectively branding you with peer pressure to conform. .. or at least be silent so they can keep their illusion of superiority.

and the superior is not the one that thinks in terms of gender, but the one that thinks in terms of superiority.

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26 Sep 2007, 4:25 am

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ion wrote:
Men and women in general are not equal when it comes to body or mind.
Their bodies and minds simply works in different ways.
They can be better suited for different jobs.

In their bodies there is a difference, obviously, the sexual reproduction and sexual organs, etc. Apart from that I believe their bodies is capable of doing the same things as men, for what I have seen, I suppose it could get difficult sometimes depending on the size of their breasts. (Sorry, a man's point of view, so don't know exactly :P)

The mind works exactly the same way regardless gender or sex, that is, the brain's capability has nothing to do with it biologically, the thing is that women and men are influenced by society standards, so it is wrong to generalize and say that women can't do a man's job, when we can see there are a lot of women who actually do that, and if some can't, it is because of other factors, as it is because of society standards of what it is suppose to be "manly" and what is not.


It's more than just a question of physical appearance.

Saying that a mind works exactly the same way is an insult to a system as complex as a brain.
And if the brains capability has nothing to do with it's biology, how comes brain damaged people can't function normally, and why are drugs used at all?
No, the biology affects the mind.
If you change the biology, by a damage, for example, or by feeding the brain different chemicals, you alter a persons mind, personality and capability to perform, in different ways.

Men and women generally do work differently in the mind as well.
You have heard the stereotypes, men are logical, women are irrational, women have better multitasking, men don't understand nuances and body language.
And generally, they hold true, even though there are always exceptions.

So in a fair and equal job market, tasks that require a certain capability will have a higher percentage of people from a gender with which that capability is stronger.
Here, a high percentage of welders (a "manly" job) are women, so apparently it has something that calls for some quality that a lot of women poses.
Working against this in the name of feminism is not only foolish and counterproductive, but also indicates that there's supposedly something wrong with being a woman.

But it's not wrong to have different capabilities!
While they are affected, but not determined by gender/sex, what is wrong is to discriminate against gender, no matter what direction the discrimination is taking, because it's a question of the individual.

I agree that society have preconceived notions about "manly" jobs, and those got to go.


This should be in PPR. :?



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26 Sep 2007, 4:34 am

You Are 49% Feminist

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You aren't a total traditionalist when it comes to gender roles. But you're no feminist either.
You generally think that women should be treated as equals, but you're not convinced the world should be gender neutral.

Are You a Feminist?

http://www.blogthings.com/areyouafeministquiz/



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26 Sep 2007, 4:39 am

***You Are 50% Feminist***


You aren't a total traditionalist when it comes to gender roles. But you're no feminist either.
You generally think that women should be treated as equals, but you're not convinced the world should be gender neutral.


Are You a Feminist?
http://www.blogthings.com/areyouafeministquiz/



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26 Sep 2007, 9:08 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
This should be in PPR. :?


The Polish labor party? :?



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26 Sep 2007, 12:14 pm

You Are 70% Feminist
You are certainly a feminist - whether you know it or not.
You believe in gender equality, at least most of the time. You also believe there are a few exceptions.



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26 Sep 2007, 1:00 pm

You Are 71% Feminist

You are certainly a feminist - whether you know it or not.
You believe in gender equality, at least most of the time. You also believe there are a few exceptions.



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27 Sep 2007, 6:36 pm

You Are 0% Feminist
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You are definitely not a feminist. In fact, you are every feminist's worst nightmare.
You believe that women belong in the kitchen... barefoot and pregnant.


On quizzes that obviously presume to attempt to pass some form of judgment on me or tell me what I believe, I must always see what the "worst case" scenario is. I'm a nightmare! ...But the woman in the picture looks so happy drying that dish! :? And the woman in the highest ranking feminist picture looks so grim... :? Intriguing subliminals. :o

Good fortune,

- Icarus the Machonazi <- that actually sounds like a yummy pasta!


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27 Sep 2007, 6:39 pm

Since I cringe when I read or hear the word "feminist", I guess I'm not. :P

All feminists hate men, but not all men hate feminists.


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27 Sep 2007, 6:43 pm

:heart:

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Women belong in the kitchen... barefoot and pregnant.
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Ahhhh... 8) Now, if you'll throw me a beer, sweetheart, I can switch on the football game...


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27 Sep 2007, 6:45 pm

Guys? Which woman would YOU rather live with:


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BE HONEST.


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27 Sep 2007, 6:48 pm

And, as we ALL know, all feminists look hot, like her:

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Riiiiiiight... :roll:

(And, apparently, they all wear cute glasses when they box. What happened to the "women shouldn't worry about their bodies" criterion for feminism? She obviously works out like crazy, and is even sporting hot glasses while she boxes!)


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27 Sep 2007, 6:54 pm

Wow, I'm surprisingly modern. I would have been more flattered to have come out 0%. Therefore, Icarus, I'm envious of your score.

You Are 54% Feminist

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You aren't a total traditionalist when it comes to gender roles. But you're no feminist either.
You generally think that women should be treated as equals, but you're not convinced the world should be gender neutral.

Are You a Feminist?

http://www.blogthings.com/areyouafeministquiz/


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