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Are You an Atheist, Agnostic or a Believer?
Believer 37%  37%  [ 16 ]
Agnostic 23%  23%  [ 10 ]
Atheist 35%  35%  [ 15 ]
Other 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
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05 Oct 2007, 2:20 am

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why is there an "other" option?


*shrugs*

No quiz needed, I'm an agnostic.


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05 Oct 2007, 3:16 am

Anubis wrote:
ShadesOfMe wrote:
why is there an "other" option?


*shrugs*

No quiz needed, I'm an agnostic.



still take it to see what your results are, Nubi.



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05 Oct 2007, 6:40 am

You Are Agnostic

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God? Religion? Maybe... you're just not sure.
You're still figuring out your spiritual path... or figuring out you really don't care.
You believe that no one really can know the true story about religion or God.
So you might as well relax a little. You'll go crazy trying make sense of it all.

Are You an Atheist, Agnostic or a Believer?

http://www.blogthings.com/areyouanatheistagnosticorabelieverquiz/

See. :P


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05 Oct 2007, 6:45 am

Technically speaking, I am an agnostic, but I border on atheistic attitude. So I selected 'other'.


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05 Oct 2007, 6:52 am

You Are a Believer

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You definitely believe in God - and you're very unwavering in your religious beliefs.
In fact, religion and spirituality are definitely big parts of your life.
Religion shapes how you view right and wrong, as well as the decisions you make.
It's hard for you to imagine how your life would be without your beliefs.

Are You an Atheist, Agnostic or a Believer?

http://www.blogthings.com/areyouanatheistagnosticorabelieverquiz/

I knew I'd get this result.


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05 Oct 2007, 6:53 am

Nevermind.


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05 Oct 2007, 6:54 am

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How come ye took it twice Anubis?


I didn't. I pasted the wrong thing.


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05 Oct 2007, 9:39 am

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Wow -- I'd be inclined to believe God didn't exist, if I never saw a miracle in my life. I know that's not the right way to be, but I'm just being honest. :? I've seen lots and lots of unmistakeable devine intervention each year, though indeed months can pass where God seems to be doing very little. :( It's definitely faith during those times, but He helps my faith periodically -- gives it boosts from time to time.


There are some things, if I put it in a certain light... I could say it seems like the hand of God is controlling something. But I'm always going back and saying... no not enough evidence yet... still could be a coincidence.


Well, let me assume for the moment that you do believe in God, and that by sheer force of will.

If you do, wouldn't you automatically attribute to Him all good things that happen? Regardless of whether or not they were amazingly unlikely to have occurred? Why would they have to be outwardly and readily amazing to our limited perceptions in order to be things that God did? I mean, in at least in root-cause types of ways. Such as, "He made me, and He made my desires to do good things. Then, I did something good, out of the good desires He put into me." Not every act of God has to be an "ACT OF GOD!"
Many of them are "small" (to the degree that we can see), but are very profoundly done by ways we don't see. After all, we are so limited in the causes of events that we can actually see and correctly calculate.


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05 Oct 2007, 9:46 am

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Technically speaking, I am an agnostic, but I border on atheistic attitude. So I selected 'other'.


Atheism is all attitude.

Agnosticism is more thoughtful.

One cannot intellectually be an atheist. The reason is that intellectually, you don't have enough evidence to prove God false.

Atheism necessarily involves the will.

Agnosticism is the straightforward admission of one who does not know.


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05 Oct 2007, 10:14 am

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Well, let me assume for the moment that you do believe in God, and that by sheer force of will.

If you do, wouldn't you automatically attribute to Him all good things that happen? Regardless of whether or not they were amazingly unlikely to have occurred? Why would they have to be outwardly and readily amazing to our limited perceptions in order to be things that God did? I mean, in at least in root-cause types of ways. Such as, "He made me, and He made my desires to do good things. Then, I did something good, out of the good desires He put into me." Not every act of God has to be an "ACT OF GOD!"
Many of them are "small" (to the degree that we can see), but are very profoundly done by ways we don't see. After all, we are so limited in the causes of events that we can actually see and correctly calculate.


Well in a sense, since God set everything into motion I can say that all good things can be contributed to him.

I do believe that God works more in the hearts and minds of people than in actual "physical" miracles. If someone stops on the side of the road to help you, perhaps God is controlling the situation to an extent. Science and how everything physical works is predictable, and I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary about that. But people are very unpredictable, which is where God's miracles are.

It's also easier for my brain, considering all the terrible things that can happen in this world... if I say God has no active role in physical miracles... Since I would have to justify why doesn't stop the really Bad things from happening. It's easier for me, and perhaps foolish, to say God chooses not to control physical miracles nowadays.

My main justification is that if God does to many miracles of that sort, it tends to foster unbelief. People start viewing God as a the all powerful Santa Claus, say they will turn to him if he does something... then never do it. And then get Bitter when God doesn't do what they demand. God becomes the Rich friend that everyone takes advantage of...

With all of this, I don't pray to God for physical things. Even for family to be healthy or whatever... I just pray for God to encourage people's hearts.


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05 Oct 2007, 10:15 am

Ragtime wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Technically speaking, I am an agnostic, but I border on atheistic attitude. So I selected 'other'.


One cannot intellectually be an atheist. The reason is that intellectually, you don't have enough evidence to prove God false.


Intellectually, I don't have enough evidence to prove Unicorns or Santa's Elves false, either. Especially since proving a negative condition is scientifically impossible. I guess that the only "intellectual" choice is to be agnostic about unicorns and Santa's elves.

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No, it doesn't necessarily involve anything than a lack of belief in something entirely based on faith.

Recent neuroscience has identified that religious belief and religious experiences are both products of the brain, specifically the area known as the Angular Gyrus, which lies between the frontal and pre-frontal lobes of the brain. Stimulating this area with a mild electric current, Doctor Michael Persinger managed to induce full religious experiences in subjects. Each had an experience in line with their own belief system: Christians felt a "state of Grace" of being in the presence of their god (or that they were persued by demons, depending on their disposition), while more agnostic people had a zen-like "one with the universe" feeling of enlightenment. Many came out in tears, moved by the experience in profound ways. A few, however, had a relatively mild euphoria followed by... well not much.

If it is, indeed, brain function that indicates religiosity as all currently available information does indeed suggest, then atheism is not at all involving the will: it's just another example of neurodiversity! Some brains are hard-wired to believe in spiritual things and to interpret some brain-born experiences as proof of those spiritual beliefs, and some brains maybe do not work that way (atheist), or do not work very well (agnostic).



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05 Oct 2007, 11:06 am

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Ragtime wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Technically speaking, I am an agnostic, but I border on atheistic attitude. So I selected 'other'.


One cannot intellectually be an atheist. The reason is that intellectually, you don't have enough evidence to prove God false.


Intellectually, I don't have enough evidence to prove Unicorns or Santa's Elves false, either. Especially since proving a negative condition is scientifically impossible. I guess that the only "intellectual" choice is to be agnostic about unicorns and Santa's elves.

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Atheism necessarily involves the will.


No, it doesn't necessarily involve anything than a lack of belief in something entirely based on faith.

Otherwise known as "agnosticism". "Atheist" means the person knows for certain that God doesn't exist.


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05 Oct 2007, 11:30 am

Ragtime wrote:
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Technically speaking, I am an agnostic, but I border on atheistic attitude. So I selected 'other'.


Atheism is all attitude.

Agnosticism is more thoughtful.

One cannot intellectually be an atheist. The reason is that intellectually, you don't have enough evidence to prove God false.

Atheism necessarily involves the will.

Agnosticism is the straightforward admission of one who does not know.


You don't have any proof to prove god real either.



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05 Oct 2007, 11:32 am

Ragtime wrote:
Otherwise known as "agnosticism". "Atheist" means the person knows for certain that God doesn't exist.



a·the·ism /ˈeɪθiˌɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ey-thee-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
[Origin: 1580–90; < Gk áthe(os) godless + -ism]


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1. The doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge.
2. The belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.



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05 Oct 2007, 11:35 am

Absolute faith that something such as God is unreal or real is foolish at the moment, as we don't have any real proof either way. I'm going to stay in the uncertainty camp. I'm tolerant of religion and atheism, either way, and I'm open minded towards religion but I stay away from both sides.


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