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05 Oct 2007, 8:54 pm

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The innuendos are offensive to me.


And that doesn't change the fact they are there.

Everything offends someone, get used to it.

Also, you've posted Goatse yourself.


Not on purpose.



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05 Oct 2007, 8:56 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The innuendos are offensive to me.


And that doesn't change the fact they are there.

Everything offends someone, get used to it.

Also, you've posted Goatse yourself.


Not on purpose.


Intent is invalid.

Someone who kills another person accidentally through stupidity has still committed murder.



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05 Oct 2007, 8:59 pm

Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The innuendos are offensive to me.


And that doesn't change the fact they are there.

Everything offends someone, get used to it.

Also, you've posted Goatse yourself.


Not on purpose.


Intent is invalid.

Someone who kills another person accidentally through stupidity has still committed murder.


Wrong.



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05 Oct 2007, 9:01 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The innuendos are offensive to me.


And that doesn't change the fact they are there.

Everything offends someone, get used to it.

Also, you've posted Goatse yourself.


Not on purpose.


Intent is invalid.

Someone who kills another person accidentally through stupidity has still committed murder.


Wrong.


Why is intent valid?



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05 Oct 2007, 11:05 pm

Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The innuendos are offensive to me.


And that doesn't change the fact they are there.

Everything offends someone, get used to it.

Also, you've posted Goatse yourself.


Not on purpose.


Intent is invalid.

Someone who kills another person accidentally through stupidity has still committed murder.


Wrong.


Why is intent valid?


Why isn't intent valid, Flagg? What if you left something, say a spill of liquid or a rollerskate (I know you probably don't, but just bear with me) and yet that causes someone to slip and break their neck? You certainly didn't intend to kill them, but they are dead. Does that mean you have committed murder? No.


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05 Oct 2007, 11:47 pm

Quatermass wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The innuendos are offensive to me.


And that doesn't change the fact they are there.

Everything offends someone, get used to it.

Also, you've posted Goatse yourself.


Not on purpose.


Intent is invalid.

Someone who kills another person accidentally through stupidity has still committed murder.


Wrong.


Why is intent valid?


Why isn't intent valid, Flagg? What if you left something, say a spill of liquid or a rollerskate (I know you probably don't, but just bear with me) and yet that causes someone to slip and break their neck? You certainly didn't intend to kill them, but they are dead. Does that mean you have committed murder? No.


You can never prove his intent was not murderous, he could fake tears, the lie detector doesnt work, we dont know enough about the brain to figure out if someone truly regrets something or if they are faking it.

In the end, intent is too tricky.



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06 Oct 2007, 12:01 am

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You can never prove his intent was not murderous, he could fake tears, the lie detector doesnt work, we dont know enough about the brain to figure out if someone truly regrets something or if they are faking it.

In the end, intent is too tricky.


The URL of the picture involved seemed to confirm what he indicated it to be. It said 'master1' at the end, suggesting it was indeed a screenshot of the Master with a gas mask on. The website must've had some sort of defence against image embedding. Problem is, I deleted the image almost straight away, so I can't prove that to you.


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06 Oct 2007, 12:14 am

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06 Oct 2007, 12:16 am

Quatermass wrote:
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You can never prove his intent was not murderous, he could fake tears, the lie detector doesnt work, we dont know enough about the brain to figure out if someone truly regrets something or if they are faking it.

In the end, intent is too tricky.


The URL of the picture involved seemed to confirm what he indicated it to be. It said 'master1' at the end, suggesting it was indeed a screenshot of the Master with a gas mask on. The website must've had some sort of defence against image embedding. Problem is, I deleted the image almost straight away, so I can't prove that to you.


I am not talking about him anymore.

I merely see working with intent in court as too risky and it doesn't change what a person did.



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06 Oct 2007, 12:24 am

Flagg wrote:
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You can never prove his intent was not murderous, he could fake tears, the lie detector doesnt work, we dont know enough about the brain to figure out if someone truly regrets something or if they are faking it.

In the end, intent is too tricky.


The URL of the picture involved seemed to confirm what he indicated it to be. It said 'master1' at the end, suggesting it was indeed a screenshot of the Master with a gas mask on. The website must've had some sort of defence against image embedding. Problem is, I deleted the image almost straight away, so I can't prove that to you.


I am not talking about him anymore.

I merely see working with intent in court as too risky and it doesn't change what a person did.


And yet lawyers use it every day...

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06 Oct 2007, 12:27 am

That does not make it right.

The justice system does plenty of idiotic things.



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06 Oct 2007, 12:29 am

Judges don't consider it to the extent they ought to, in my opinion.

The practice of law is already in many cases reduced to a strategy based game for fat-headed narcissists to play with one another. [/cynicism]


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06 Oct 2007, 12:41 am

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The practice of law is already in many cases reduced to a strategy based game for fat-headed narcissists to play with one another. [/cynicism]


Pretty much.



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06 Oct 2007, 12:48 am

Flagg wrote:
That does not make it right.

The justice system does plenty of idiotic things.


Of course. The preumption of innocence in the courtrooms seems to place an unfair onus on the victim.

gwenevyn wrote:
Judges don't consider it to the extent they ought to, in my opinion.

The practice of law is already in many cases reduced to a strategy based game for fat-headed narcissists to play with one another. [/cynicism]


No, it is not just narcissism. It's also all naive defence lawyers who believe everyone they represent is innocent, or more innocent than the prosecutor thinks. But politics has a lot to play. Look at the Lindy Chamberlain case. When the coroner said that the forensic evidence against the Chamberlains was BS and that a dingo had taken the baby, the Northern Territory government did all they could to find evidence to convict the Chamberlains, even if it was dodgy. And they covered up a lot of evidence that would have leaned towards innocence. The NT (ironic, the initials, eh?) government was pissed off by the coroner, so they convicted an innocent woman. Go figure.


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