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20 Mar 2014, 2:56 pm

History is like a stack of 2-dimensional maps, the time stamp increasing with the thickness of this stack. Take any person. His or her personal history would be like a space curve winding inside this stack of maps. Write a book about this person. If you're sufficiently meticulous, you would be able to include a great deal of details while trying to track his worldline.

But take a wider event, or a collection events, which in itself is extended over a continent. The Second World War, for example. It wouldn't any more be possible to include "all" the details, not even "a great deal" of details while trying to track the war's world-surface inside the stack. When you write a book about the war, you would be able to follow a narrow, curved worldline but not the entire curved surface.

This is how I see history, like a bird's eye view on a map. Map which changes with time. This changing with time can be frozen by stacking those maps which are updated, say, once a day.

Isn't any attempt to include everything in history books doomed to fail?



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20 Mar 2014, 3:02 pm

Of course. But someone has to try at least.



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20 Mar 2014, 5:10 pm

Indeed. Don't you know that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it?


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21 Mar 2014, 6:56 am

Did you not know that Churchill said that, referring to Germany trying to take over Europe?

Again?

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21 Mar 2014, 7:04 am

No, but they almost did, didn't they?


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21 Mar 2014, 8:25 am

In my opinion, Churchill was wrong. History is about things that don't repeat.



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21 Mar 2014, 11:59 am

You do not believe that civilizations rise, decay, then collapse?

That ambitious megalomaniacs arise, lead their people down a path of aggression, only to die, and another comes along, and another;Genghis Khan, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Cortez?


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21 Mar 2014, 1:55 pm

Aren't those examples of similar cases, similar megalomaniacs? None of them is a repetition of any other. There's always variance. The expression "as like as two peas" doesn't apply in history. One might stretch this to mean that it's impossible to learn anything from history alone.

I have to say that I agree to some extent.



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21 Mar 2014, 2:13 pm

Couldn't one learn general concepts, even if specific circumstances were to vary?

And hasn't it all got a little bit serious in here?



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21 Mar 2014, 2:17 pm

Am I not a serious person? :study:



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21 Mar 2014, 2:23 pm

Not always. Otherwise why would you hang out predominantly in 'Off the Wall', rather than PPR?



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21 Mar 2014, 2:28 pm

Could it be that my English just isn't good enough for PPR?



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21 Mar 2014, 2:38 pm

Do you not realise that your English is almost perfect, and better than a lot of people I know for whom it is their first language?



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21 Mar 2014, 2:40 pm

Low self-esteem?



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21 Mar 2014, 2:43 pm

Sympathy and a cup of tea? :)

8O Oops, sorry, I mean strong coffee. Or bone vodka. 8)



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21 Mar 2014, 2:49 pm

How could I refuse? Thank you.