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13 Feb 2009, 6:57 pm

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Love can exist within homosexuality. It's called homosexual love. Or is love just love, regardless of sex or gender or whatever?


No, the scriptures are completely clear on the subject of homosexuality in both the Old and New Testaments, contrary to the lies spread by some liberals that homosexuality is only opposed in the Old Testament. There are many passages that disprove this liberal lie, including Romans 1. The Bible is in favour of neighbourly and brotherly love, but is not in favour of homosexual love.


I don't disagree with you there. Not entirely.


What's your position on the issue?



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13 Feb 2009, 7:11 pm

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Love can exist within homosexuality. It's called homosexual love. Or is love just love, regardless of sex or gender or whatever?


No, the scriptures are completely clear on the subject of homosexuality in both the Old and New Testaments, contrary to the lies spread by some liberals that homosexuality is only opposed in the Old Testament. There are many passages that disprove this liberal lie, including Romans 1. The Bible is in favour of neighbourly and brotherly love, but is not in favour of homosexual love.


I don't disagree with you there. Not entirely.


What's your position on the issue?


I won't deny that homosexuality is a sin, but it is one among many. Before I condemn or criticize a homosexual for being what he is, I have to remember what I am. I've got a plank in my eye but my tendency is to ignore it. My tendency is to berate the other guy and attack him on account of the mere mote in his eye. All of us are sinners. Homosexuals are not special in that regard.

And that is my positionn on the issue.



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13 Feb 2009, 7:23 pm

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Love can exist within homosexuality. It's called homosexual love. Or is love just love, regardless of sex or gender or whatever?


No, the scriptures are completely clear on the subject of homosexuality in both the Old and New Testaments, contrary to the lies spread by some liberals that homosexuality is only opposed in the Old Testament. There are many passages that disprove this liberal lie, including Romans 1. The Bible is in favour of neighbourly and brotherly love, but is not in favour of homosexual love.


I don't disagree with you there. Not entirely.


What's your position on the issue?


I won't deny that homosexuality is a sin, but it is one among many. Before I condemn or criticize a homosexual for being what he is, I have to remember what I am. I've got a plank in my eye but my tendency is to ignore it. My tendency is to berate the other guy and attack him on account of the mere mote in his eye. All of us are sinners. Homosexuals are not special in that regard.

And that is my positionn on the issue.


Absolutely. Due humility is needed when giving someone reproof. Nobody is completely free of sin, but if everyone took this to mean that nobody should give reproof would mean that bad behaviour would just continue unhindered.

I agree that some churches place too much emphasis on the homosexuality issue, in particular Westboro Baptist Church.



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13 Feb 2009, 11:13 pm

I tried so hard to be a christian, for a few years. But I failed, they failed me, and frankly I don't see how it's possible for an Aspie to be a christian.
It's black and white for me - either the bible etc is correct, or it isn't. And if it is correct, then boy I need to change my life. If it isn't, why waste time at church?
But almost every christian I've met has been somewhere in the middle. They may say they believe it, but their actions betray that they don't.
I can see that there are many Christians here, and I don't mean to upset anyone. It's just that I got terribly badly treated by my church, who took advantage of my tendency to take things literally. I'd really hate anyone else to go through that.
Just be careful. There are some incredibly caring, down to earth christians out there. But there are some very manipulative ones too.



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14 Feb 2009, 1:04 am

yeah there's 'wolves among the sheep'.

I'm not a churchgoing aspie, i only attended sunday school as a child for a few years. I didn't become a christian until i was about 40. sometimes i think i'd like to be a church member but i'd struggle to find one that i largely agreed with or where i felt comfortable. the nearest thing for me would be the shakers.



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14 Feb 2009, 5:32 am

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I tried so hard to be a christian, for a few years. But I failed, they failed me, and frankly I don't see how it's possible for an Aspie to be a christian.
It's black and white for me - either the bible etc is correct, or it isn't. And if it is correct, then boy I need to change my life. If it isn't, why waste time at church?
But almost every christian I've met has been somewhere in the middle. They may say they believe it, but their actions betray that they don't.
I can see that there are many Christians here, and I don't mean to upset anyone. It's just that I got terribly badly treated by my church, who took advantage of my tendency to take things literally. I'd really hate anyone else to go through that.
Just be careful. There are some incredibly caring, down to earth christians out there. But there are some very manipulative ones too.


It's a shame this happened to you. I have always preferred it if people form their conclusions about Christianity from the Holy Scriptures, rather than the behaviour of people pretending to be Christian.

The subject of total biblical inerrancy is not something I really want to discuss because I simply don't have enough understanding about it to give a useful answer that will put my faith in a good light. However, we all need to change our lives quickly.

I would certainly say that there are many parts of the Bible which would yield silly situations if interpreted literally. For instance, Jesus said to remove our eyes if they cause us to sin, but I know of no Christian who has taken this literally. Instead, a more sensible interpretation is that this passage is a general warning to us to make sacrifices to avoid sinning where necessary. If I searched, I could find many more parts that would be silly to interpret literally.

I'm sorry to hear about what happened in your church. I am hopeful that there is another reasonably accessible church in your local area where you feel comfortable and with whom you have a reasonable amount of agreement doctrinally.

I have Asperger's syndrome and I have been a regular churchgoer since the age of 18 (I am now 25), so it is possible to stick with one's faith. I have been to some churches I wouldn't go back to, for instance St. George's Anglican Church in Berlin, as it is simply a very worldly church. It has little enthusiasm about proclaiming the Gospel and is more concerned about its "inclusiveness" and whether its views are considered P.C. or not. This was shown in the priest who got annoyed by politically incorrect things being said, but simply wasn't bothered about if something ungodly was said or done. There was lots of politics in the church (although it didn't involve me personally) and they started doing gay marriages after I returned to the UK.



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14 Feb 2009, 5:46 am

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What is your point of reference for Catholicism going "against" the Bible. Whose Bible? Whose idea of "against?" Speak, man!

Asking priests for forgiveness in a confession box for a start - no one but God can forgive your sins.
Where in the Bible does it teach about Limbo?
They pray to people other than God (saints/Mary etc.)
Do they not also use idols and images?

Just a few. There are others but I can't think of them right now.


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14 Feb 2009, 5:54 am

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What is your point of reference for Catholicism going "against" the Bible. Whose Bible? Whose idea of "against?" Speak, man!

Asking priests for forgiveness in a confession box for a start - no one but God can forgive your sins.
Where in the Bible does it teach about Limbo?
They pray to people other than God (saints/Mary etc.)
Do they not also use idols and images?

Just a few. There are others but I can't think of them right now.


Lucky I'm not a Roman Catholic.



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14 Feb 2009, 8:00 am

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I won't deny that homosexuality is a sin, but it is one among many. Before I condemn or criticize a homosexual for being what he is, I have to remember what I am. I've got a plank in my eye but my tendency is to ignore it. My tendency is to berate the other guy and attack him on account of the mere mote in his eye. All of us are sinners. Homosexuals are not special in that regard.

And that is my position on the issue.


I want to amend this statement.

Too much emphasis, I think, is placed on the straight/gay issue. So much pain and sorrow because of it. So many suicides. :(

I say this because I am not a dyed-in-the-wool conservative, socially politically or religiously.



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14 Feb 2009, 8:02 am

Are you a Baptist, Greyhound? What church do you belong to?



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14 Feb 2009, 8:18 am

graemephillips wrote:
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What is your point of reference for Catholicism going "against" the Bible. Whose Bible? Whose idea of "against?" Speak, man!

Asking priests for forgiveness in a confession box for a start - no one but God can forgive your sins.
Where in the Bible does it teach about Limbo?
They pray to people other than God (saints/Mary etc.)
Do they not also use idols and images?

Just a few. There are others but I can't think of them right now.


Lucky I'm not a Roman Catholic.

What do you mean?


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Are you a Baptist, Greyhound? What church do you belong to?

I do not belong to a church.


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14 Feb 2009, 8:31 am

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Are you a Baptist, Greyhound? What church do you belong to?

I do not belong to a church.


Why am I not suprised?

Since you don't belong to a church yourself, how can you criticize Catholicism? WHat do you know of church in general?



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14 Feb 2009, 8:36 am

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I won't deny that homosexuality is a sin, but it is one among many. Before I condemn or criticize a homosexual for being what he is, I have to remember what I am. I've got a plank in my eye but my tendency is to ignore it. My tendency is to berate the other guy and attack him on account of the mere mote in his eye. All of us are sinners. Homosexuals are not special in that regard.

And that is my position on the issue.


I want to amend this statement.

Too much emphasis, I think, is placed on the straight/gay issue. So much pain and sorrow because of it. So many suicides. :(

I say this because I am not a dyed-in-the-wool conservative, socially politically or religiously.


Absolutely. Whilst I don't think homosexuality is sufficiently trivial to be ignored, I definitely think too many Christians place too much emphasis on this issue at the expense of other more important issues. Jesus warned us about being disproportionate in Matthew 23:23-24.



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14 Feb 2009, 8:55 am

Absolutely.



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14 Feb 2009, 8:57 am

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I think there has to be more out there than just aliens or we comes from monkeys because if that was the case where did monkeys comes from?


WTF? 8O

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