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15 May 2009, 12:38 pm

When I was in 8th grade the school sent me to a councilor because I was skipping school a lot (hated school) I remember him asking why I don't look people in the eye. I said that I do look at peoples eyes. He said well then what color are my eyes? I said brown and he was really surprised I knew that. I looked at peoples eyes briefly, just not as much as a normal person. He asked why I don't talk to people and I said that I do talk to people. He said I never talked to his receptionist who is really easy to talk to. I don't really remember if I talked to her, but I think I said hello and to me that was talking to her. I guess he meant having a real conversation. I'm alot older now and am still hopeless when it comes to eye contact. Just can't get it right no matter how hard I try. :?



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16 May 2009, 1:19 pm

For me, it depends on the person plus the subject, but I think that I am pretty good at it. I don't have really that much problems, but I must be fair that my circle of people I meet is pretty narrow and I am comfortable with most of them. But I don't like it when they get too personal and trying to break the wall around me. At that point, I avoid eye contact. But at work for example, I can manage to do "normal" eye contact with my colleagues. With clients, it depends. If I am confident enough to talk about the subject they want to speak about, I think I am pretty "normal", but when I feel unconfident or they are too close at my skin, if you know what I mean, I feel uncomfortable and I try to avoid too much eye contact.



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16 May 2009, 2:28 pm

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I'm wondering if making eye-contact and holding it get easier as you get older. I'm 40 now and although I haven't been diagnosed yet (will be booking my appointment later on today with any luck) I seem to waver between finding it very difficult or kind of locking gaze and almost staring. But I can do it if I make a conscious effort, and that's the crucial thing. Working in the industry that I work in (creative writer for advertising) as a creative we're almost expected to be a bit quirky, so my quirks have been accepted or at least tolerated in the main. Plus I've had to do things like 'Presentation Skills' training, which I believe have helped enormously. When it comes to presenting work to clients or being in meetings I just have this sort of 'well it's not going to go away and I have to do it' attitude that carries me through, even if I'd rather not be there. It is stressful but I think that with age and basically confronting the same issues time and time again it does get easier.

How about you?


I'm 38 (almost) and I still feel very uncomfortable making eye contact with people, apart from staring when they're not looking. Sometime's I think to myself during the conversation "I really should be making eye contact, they'll think I'm rude or disinterested" and end up getting flustered which doesn't help.



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16 May 2009, 3:04 pm

I am 34, and still have to think consciously about eye contact when I talk to someone. I tend to kind of coach myself through it, as in 'make sure you look at them, don't be rude', and then 'that's too much, look away for a bit'. It's like an awkward dance of trying to figure out how much is enough to appear confident and engaged, and how much is considered laser-vision creepy. It's very tiring after awhile.



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17 May 2009, 11:34 am

Years ago I learned that people can't tell that you are not looking at their eyes if you are looking at their forehead instead. The forehead is a lot easier to look at, if I just concentrate on the rather blank middle region. When young, I used this tactic to win a staring contest.



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17 May 2009, 1:44 pm

I am 58 and I didn't think I ever had a problem meeting someone's eyes (for all the good it did me, I had no idea what they were non verbally telling me.) I now realize when I do meet eyes it is a stare at them. Mostly if someone gets into 'my space' I avert my eyes from them and get annoyed that they are in my space. I just thought I was annoyed with what they were talking about. But it isn't, it's because I don't want to look at that huge face in my line of vision.

I recently went to testify in front of 12 person panel for State legislature on bills for autism education. I was amazed that I was not able to raise my eyes to them and give them all a glance, but had to physically force myself to raise my gaze to each one of them individually. It just was so much to handle to raise my eyes to them. The more I relax into knowing I am autistic, the less I judge myself, compare myself, to being not autistic. I lived so long in the not autistic world, it is exciting to explore how I really am.


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18 May 2009, 8:20 am

sinsboldly wrote:
The more I relax into knowing I am autistic, the less I judge myself, compare myself, to being not autistic. I lived so long in the not autistic world, it is exciting to explore how I really am.


This is a more productive attitude that I will keep in mind--well said!


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20 May 2009, 5:18 am

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I feel violated when people force me to look them in the eye. I think it is our culture that demands eye contact, Asian cultures certainly don't. Eye contact is a very intimate thing for me, not sexual, but reserved for great moments when you and the other person share a common thought or a beautiful transitory moment.


thats a really interesting way to view it.



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21 May 2009, 3:02 am

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I am 34, and still have to think consciously about eye contact when I talk to someone. I tend to kind of coach myself through it, as in 'make sure you look at them, don't be rude', and then 'that's too much, look away for a bit'. It's like an awkward dance of trying to figure out how much is enough to appear confident and engaged, and how much is considered laser-vision creepy. It's very tiring after awhile.

Ditto exactly except i'm 24. It gets very stressful, tiring and makes me really self concious.

I tend to stare. As a kid i would actually go right up to peoples faces and STARE at them, their mouth or other part of their face, eyes always interested me. If they spoke to me i'd become uncomfortable. Some of them were totally creeped out and some thought it was funny... i'd still do that if it were at all acceptable :lol: i'm still a starer but i've gotten OK at hiding it or stopping myself and i promise i don't go up to people anymore :lol:



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21 May 2009, 10:24 pm

Another thing. What's the correct thing to do when walking past someone? I hate walking past people i always feel very awkward and don't know what to do. I usually try to talk to whoever i'm with or pretend i'm looking at something else so i can avoid the situation all together.



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22 May 2009, 3:54 pm

Dilemma wrote:
Another thing. What's the correct thing to do when walking past someone?


I spend enormous amounts of time on the trails. Usually I don't meet many if any folks, but when I do it is often someone I know or almost always friendly fellow hikers/bikers/runners. We usually swap information about what we've encountered on the trail, then continue on our ways. The awkwardness comes when the person doesn't acknowledge me. Sometimes they are obviously listening to an iPod or something (to block out the mountain lions, bears, and venomous snakes), but when we are the only two people for several miles out in the wilderness, it's pretty uncomfortable not to at least have my presence even nodded at or something. On the other hand, I have to try really hard not to acknowledge other people on the streets, 'cause that is considered weird. So for me, "correctness" depends on location. If I slip into automatic mode I often make bad choices.


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22 May 2009, 4:01 pm

I struggle to make eye contact if I am fairly close to someone - close in distance not family wise !



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22 May 2009, 11:13 pm

I do not like the intensity of eye contact with others. When I meet someone else's eyes I have a physical reaction which is a flipping in the stomach - a kind of mix of anxiety and nausea. It is very overwhelming. IT is the same feeling i get with soft touch from someone. I want to spew. hmmm.... Which doesn't lead me to want to pursue too much friendship and intimacy with others unless it is via phone or net or email.

IT has not gotten any better with age. But I can look at peoples' teeth and watch the lower half of their faces which allows for some face to face contact without the intensity.



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23 May 2009, 10:05 am

I am 60 years old and I still don't like eye contact.

I also don't like being touched and I hate "huggy kissy" women who expect you to kiss them on the cheek when you meet.



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23 May 2009, 12:54 pm

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I also don't like being touched and I hate "huggy kissy" women who expect you to kiss them on the cheek when you meet.
Agreed.


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23 May 2009, 1:32 pm

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The awkwardness comes when the person doesn't acknowledge me. Sometimes they are obviously listening to an iPod or something (to block out the mountain lions, bears, and venomous snakes), but when we are the only two people for several miles out in the wilderness, it's pretty uncomfortable not to at least have my presence even nodded at or something. On the other hand, I have to try really hard not to acknowledge other people on the streets, 'cause that is considered weird.

That's it exactly! (except without the trail part, that must be a lot of fun!)

I've been told by the NT people i've asked about this that looking at people is ok but looking for too long (staring) isn't and not looking is also ok.

I think it's easiest just not to look at all, i feel awkward either way but at least when i don't look it's over quicker :lol: