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NicoleG
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28 May 2012, 8:56 am

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If playing with women, you need to factor that into it.


That's a sweeping generalization you're making, but I know where you're coming from. Growing up, I always wanted to play board games, but my female friends all wanted to play Barbie and Pretend (like teacher/student, cops and robbers, etc.), which I couldn't understand the point of and I hated.

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Now, most all of my friends are gamers, and I'm probably the worst when it comes to the rules lawyering, but everyone plays to win AND we have a good social time. One of our favorites is Arkham Horror, in which you can choose a version where everyone is working together to overcome the Arkham threat, so everyone has reason to cooperate. (Beware, though, this one has so many rules and the rules book is so difficult to follow it has taken us a few game sessions just to figure out the rules, and we're hard core gamers!) I also found an interesting game called Museum Caper, in which one person is the museum thief and everyone else is trying to find that person before they steal a lot of paintings and escape. Adding cooperation into the game play might help - that's kind of what your friends are already doing when they are dropping hints to one another while playing.



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28 May 2012, 11:23 am

I'd say Scrabble is somewhat of a peculiar game from the competitive aspect, but it is more social too than some other strategic games. Some people "play just to play and not to compete" because the "game" is used as a "tool" to socialize. Some people like to play games to compete. Most aspies who like games will play to compete because they always have to follow rules or "their rules." Some NT people, especially if they are not very good at competing but like the game, create their own niche in this manner. So, as a competitive player, you want to search out people and clubs that have competitive players and not recreational players. If you're at like a picnic or some event and some friends or acquaintances want to play a game and you're stuck, well at least you can be aware of what to expect and to think of it as a learning experience to try to deal with people who do not follow the rules, or just play strategically bad and not care. Maybe just play to make them happy, but try to bring a book or something to do as a backup if you can, lol.

A cooperative game can work for social people or any group of people, but usually board game geeks tend to like this type of game more because many NT people don't like to put up with complicated rules.



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29 May 2012, 7:04 pm

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Social games are like Balderdash, Pictionary, Life, Apples to Apples, and well games that most NTs would go for. The ones that require more strategic thinking such as Risk, Axis and Allies, chess, and some less well known ones such as Vanished Planet, Yggdrasil, and Dominion are for your board game geeks. Aspies who love strategy and following the rules, especially if they love competition, they will tend to fit in a board game crowd very well because the board game geeks are eccentric enough. Again, it depends on the crowd in general, but I think that covers your main bases so to speak.


I love Pictionary and Apples to Apples. I love Dominion too! I will have to look up Vanished Planet and Yggdrasil...



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29 May 2012, 7:06 pm

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Now, most all of my friends are gamers, and I'm probably the worst when it comes to the rules lawyering, but everyone plays to win AND we have a good social time. One of our favorites is Arkham Horror, in which you can choose a version where everyone is working together to overcome the Arkham threat, so everyone has reason to cooperate. (Beware, though, this one has so many rules and the rules book is so difficult to follow it has taken us a few game sessions just to figure out the rules, and we're hard core gamers!) I also found an interesting game called Museum Caper, in which one person is the museum thief and everyone else is trying to find that person before they steal a lot of paintings and escape. Adding cooperation into the game play might help - that's kind of what your friends are already doing when they are dropping hints to one another while playing.


I've almost purchased a few of those cooperative games but one of my board game-playing friends said those get boring after a couple of rounds. Do you see where he's coming from? I've never even tried one so all I have to go on is his word and the word of internet reviewers on Amazon.



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29 May 2012, 8:13 pm

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I've almost purchased a few of those cooperative games but one of my board game-playing friends said those get boring after a couple of rounds. Do you see where he's coming from? I've never even tried one so all I have to go on is his word and the word of internet reviewers on Amazon.


No, you'd have to ask him directly what it is that bores him. I get bored with strategy war games like RISK and Axis and Allies, but I'm the same with computer games as well (accept for some reason I LOVE Starcraft, but I also like sci-fi based games so that might be what interests me about it, as I don't care for World of Warcraft either). Everyone has their own reason for why they do or don't like a particular game or game type.



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30 May 2012, 8:29 am

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. . .Adding cooperation into the game play might help - that's kind of what your friends are already doing when they are dropping hints to one another while playing.


I've almost purchased a few of those cooperative games but one of my board game-playing friends said those get boring after a couple of rounds. Do you see where he's coming from? I've never even tried one so all I have to go on is his word and the word of internet reviewers on Amazon.


Well I could see how they could be boring. If you really like the idea of working cooperatively and don't think you'd ever get bored of it, then it's a good game. Otherwise, some people naturally love competition, so it could get boring purely because of that. So yeah, your friends may be working or kind of working cooperatively, but everyone is in it for something else unless you are Mother Theresa!



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17 Jun 2012, 7:23 am

This topic really caught my attention, and I hoped it might throw some light on why my Aspie husband never wants to join in with board games - whether it is with me (I'm NT) and my family members (also NT) or with his son (Aspie) and daughter (NT). (It's a 2nd marriage for both of us). Generally the rest of us have fun with board games - and some of us are very competitive, and some not so - and for the most part we're able to incorporate our different attitudes into a game without annoying each other too much.

My husband is actually not a very competitive person, although he is a stickler for rules. However, the reason he gives for not wanting to play board games is that he finds it irritating that I choose to spend time with other people doing something he doesn't see the point of, rather than spending it with him. When my daughter and her partner and a friend came to visit us from interstate I spent the day with them (it involved going to a restaurant and art galleries, so my husband didn't want to join us) and then we decided to play a board game after dinner. My husband got angry because he said I'd already spent the day with my daughter, I looked tired (I didn't feel it) and therefore I should ditch the game and have an early night. I don't see my daughter very often, so I decided to play with them. My daughter tried to persuade my husband to join us - but he refused and had a shot at her for monopolising my attention, which seemed really unfair to me.

On most occasions, if we have a family gathering, and start organising a board game after dinner, he'll go to bed early. Sometimes he's tolerant of the fact that I'm doing something with other people, but if he's in a bad mood he'll berate me when the game is over, on the grounds that I've stayed up too late, or that he heard me laughing too often (he actually counts my laughs, sometimes!)

Can anyone make any sense out of this for me?



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17 Jun 2012, 11:32 am

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This topic really caught my attention, and I hoped it might throw some light on why my Aspie husband never wants to join in with board games - whether it is with me (I'm NT) and my family members (also NT) or with his son (Aspie) and daughter (NT). (It's a 2nd marriage for both of us). Generally the rest of us have fun with board games - and some of us are very competitive, and some not so - and for the most part we're able to incorporate our different attitudes into a game without annoying each other too much.

My husband is actually not a very competitive person, although he is a stickler for rules. However, the reason he gives for not wanting to play board games is that he finds it irritating that I choose to spend time with other people doing something he doesn't see the point of, rather than spending it with him. When my daughter and her partner and a friend came to visit us from interstate I spent the day with them (it involved going to a restaurant and art galleries, so my husband didn't want to join us) and then we decided to play a board game after dinner. My husband got angry because he said I'd already spent the day with my daughter, I looked tired (I didn't feel it) and therefore I should ditch the game and have an early night. I don't see my daughter very often, so I decided to play with them. My daughter tried to persuade my husband to join us - but he refused and had a shot at her for monopolising my attention, which seemed really unfair to me.

On most occasions, if we have a family gathering, and start organising a board game after dinner, he'll go to bed early. Sometimes he's tolerant of the fact that I'm doing something with other people, but if he's in a bad mood he'll berate me when the game is over, on the grounds that I've stayed up too late, or that he heard me laughing too often (he actually counts my laughs, sometimes!)

Can anyone make any sense out of this for me?


To me, that sounds plain jealous. He might feel left out because you are doing some activity in his presence that he doesn't like doing so he can't really participate. I guess it's more of a male issue than an Aspie one, since it happens at home all the time and I have heard similar stories from my mom's friends about their NT husbands. However, if he doesn't have similar chances to socialize on his own, he might be more resentful in comparison to other hubbies.


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17 Jun 2012, 11:54 am

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Can anyone make any sense out of this for me?

This really has nothing to do with board games, but him being demanding of your time. Acknowledge his feelings by using phrases like, "I understand that this frustrates you. Short of changing myself, is there another way that I can assist you regarding these negative feelings?" This shows that it's his responsibility to deal with this, not yours (you're merely "assisting"), but you are still his partner and willing to help (although don't use the word "help" because he may take that as a sign of you saying he has a weakness and you are trying to control his behavior). It also shows that it's not okay for him to use his temper tantrums to attempt to control you.

There's a reason why he's feeling these frustrations, and that's what's important to get at. faerie_queene87 has a pretty good theory on it above, regarding being frustrated at not being able to participate. It might be more simple - that he's being a selfish twit - but it's important to find out the reasons behind his feelings and address those directly rather than always going around in circles discussing the outcome of his feelings (his temper tantrums).



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17 Jun 2012, 2:14 pm

For NTs I think they are "bored games". It seems I am usually the last one left playing the game, when everyone else just says, dude man check out the football game! And they leave. People say I am too serious about the game, and that its just for some fun.

I know this isn't a board game, but I will play multiplayer video games. Not with voice chat, not usually as a team, just lone wolf stuff. I like single player games, just not all the time, some can get to be too linear, like COD SP, if you replay the game there is only one way to get to the end, you know the same guy is going to say the same thing, to me its like a one way maze. BF MP to me is more like chess, you can plan or move in any way that you want to and be CrEaTiVe, every game played is different each time you can jump off a cliff snipe someone out of a jet, steal their jet, its not scripted game play on rails. You can take control of a base how ever way you want, and do what you what when you want. You can plant C4 on your Jeep drive towards someone jump out and detonate your Jeep bomb. If someone is taking off in a Jet, you can drop a jeep on the run way from the sky right before they take off and they crash.

Alot of people will yell things out, you just got pwned! I just sit there and play. They say, Wanna see what happens when I shoot my own guy? I say, No, lets just play the game.



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18 Jun 2012, 9:36 am

I agree with others who have suggested you have some kind of overlying social rules to follow. Maybe your winning condition should be: everyone should enjoy themselves - which may mean you need to tone down you need to follow the rules exactly. I still think you should try and play the game as it is intended, and you shouldn't loose on purpose, but put a little less emphasis on just winning.

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I also think cooperative games are a really great option for you - except you may have to keep yourself in check and not tell your gaming partners how to take there turns, which can be a common pitfall in coops. Our house rule is that you can make suggestions to the other players about what you think they might want to do, but ultimately it is their decision and you have to accept what they choose (even if you feel it isn't optimal). Coops allow you to all win together or all loose together. Plus it is a different kind of gaming experience that new players are often intrigued by. The titles I would recommend are:

Pandemic - my personal favourite coop - it can feel repetitive after awhile, but there is a great expansion available and since we've gotten the expansion, we haven't gotten bored with it at all

Forbidden Island - this is a simplified version of Pandemic with a more kid friendly theme, but it can be really good for inexperienced adults too.

Flash Point: Fire Rescue - very accessible theme, has a easy/family version, and a more complex/advance version so you can play it with different types of crowds

(I own and enjoy Yggdrasil, but wouldn't recommend it as place to start in terms of coops)

You can look these up on boardgamegeek website, but chances are if you're a gamer, you already know about this site.

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Alternatively, you could try games that are more subjective - with less of a right or wrong aspect.
I would suggest Apples to Apples, or Dixit (I like Dixit much better) - both are games where the players determine the outcome of who ultimately wins or looses based on their personal decisions, rather than the winner being the one with the best strategy. These are more socially interactive games, which may help meet your partner's goals for a gaming evening.

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As for more competitive gaming - I've heard that Scrabble champions are actually more mathy types who can calculate the best possible way to score with the letters they have. This may explain your difference in your approach to the game.

If you like to game competivitly, you could try getting you "winning-fix" by playing board games online. I know, I know, sounds like an oxymoron. But there are some free website with online implementations of games. I personally use yucata.de, which has an English user interface option. It's also a great way to try before you buy too.

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From one gamer to another, I hope this helps.