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All drugs, right now. Throw them in a blender and serve.
But even if they were all legal I wouldn't touch the stuff, I don't even really like caffeine, though it doesn't do anything for me to begin with.
I think NY is getting close to passing medical marijuana, and if it passes I might consider it in lieu of pharmaceutical drugs for my laundry list of ailments, since I don't believe in pills.
It just got out of the health commission and it's going to be voted on....again....eventually. Was voted down last year but it's got more momentum now, what with California doing it and the debt crisis here.
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I think drugs have shaped our civilisation and culture more than we know. Especially the world of art etc. I think when humans first took halucinogens, back in our tribal days, that was our kickstart to intelectual development. Lets not forget that a lot of politics has been affected by drugs. Great Britain had Hong Kong for over a hundred years because it was the main trade route for opium. Queen Victoria was said to be addicted to cocaine. Laughing gas was the in thing during the 19th century. And I honestly think that modern day anti-depressants (SSRI) are based on MDMA. LCD was developed for warfare! The spanish who invaded south america forced the indiginous people to eat more coca leaves because it made them work harder!
And it is only in the last 50 years or so that drugs have been made illegal!! ! So for thousands of years we took them before now being told its bad and just say no!
We are the most deceived people in history!
I support the legalization of all drugs, including the 'hard' ones like heroin and meth. I find it quite shocking that more people can't see the fairly obvious fact that almost all the problems associated with drugs arise due to their illegality. Drug prohibition has been one of the most devastating projects of the last century.
I would like to add, regarding hard drugs - even illegal drug users that I know are afraid of trying heroin. They're not afraid of the legality issue, as they use other illegal substances, but they know it's bad and addictive as hell. The ones who do use it, have their reasons. But if someone wants to use heroin, then legality won't be what's stopping him from doing so.
This is a fairly lengthy but fascinating article that deals with heroin:
http://www.flatearthnews.net/footnotes-book/page-28-heroin/whats-wrong-war-against-drugs
A few paragraphs of note:
Start with the allegation that heroin damages the minds and bodies of those who use it, and consider the biggest study of opiate use ever conducted, on 861 patients at Philadelphia General Hospital in the 1920s. It concluded that they suffered no physical harm of any kind. Their weight, skin condition and dental health were all unaffected. 'There is no evidence of change in the circulatory, hepatic, renal or endocrine functions. When it is considered that some of these subjects had been addicted for at least five years, some of them for as long as twenty years, these negative observations are highly significant.'
Check with Martindale, the standard medical reference book, which records that heroin is used for the control of severe pain in children and adults, including the frail, the elderly and women in labour. It is even injected into premature babies who are recovering from operations. Martindale records no sign of these patients being damaged or morally degraded or becoming criminally deviant or simply insane. It records instead that, so far as harm is concerned, there can be problems with nausea and constipation.
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Take away the lies and the real danger becomes clear - not the drugs, but the blackmarket which has been created directly by the policy of prohibition. If ever there is a war-crimes trial to punish the generals who have gloried in this slaughter of the innocent, the culprits should be made to carve out in stone: "There is no drug known to man which becomes safer when its production and distribution are handed over to criminals."
Heroin, so benign in the hands of doctors, becomes highly dangerous when it is cut by blackmarket dealers - with paracetomol, drain cleaner, sand, sugar, starch, powdered milk, talcum powder, coffee, brick dust, cement dust, gravy powder, face powder or curry powder. None of these adulterants was ever intended to be injected into human veins. Some of them, like drain cleaner, are simply toxic and poison their users. Others - like sand or brick dust - are carried into tiny capillaries and digital blood vessels where they form clots, cutting off the supply of blood to fingers or toes. Very rapidly, venous gangrene sets in, the tissue starts to die, the fingers or toes go black and then have only one destiny - amputation. Needless suffering - inflicted not by heroin, but by its blackmarket adulterants.
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All drugs should be legal, but you'd have to overhaul the culture so that they're much more socially acceptable, which might be interesting: "people don't do drugs because they're morally deviant. They usually do them because their lives suck, and if you don't like it, help them out!"
Do drugs enhance our culture? They give people something in common to talk about. Other than that, not really. It's annoying how people look at some remarkably strange and imaginative art, and then just assume the artist was "stoned" or "on acid" or whatever. Right, of course he was.
Interesting comment you_are_what_you_is. Reminds me of something I heard on a group for hard drug users (I don't and don't plan to use, but was curious about the non-Hollywood-ized (in either direction) realities of hard drug use).
The person said that you hear about heroin addicts all the time because all of the other hard drugs kill people off so much more rapidly. IOW, you never hear of someone with a 20-year long addiction to speed or barbituates because they end up dead way before 20 years has gone by. With heroin as long as a person doesn't OD (or get too much crap mixed in with it) the effects of it are less toxic than alcohol. OTOH, there is something to be said for the negative-reinforcement caused by hangovers.
But as to the realities of opiate addiction -- holy crap, what a nightmare. A lot of it does seem to be caused by the illegality, though. Unreliability of black market drugs, when the drug is needed for functionality. And contamination, "hot doses," and unpredictable pricing. Also, the social marginalization -- apparently methadone clinics are set up in a ways that seem almost purposely designed to foil people's attempts to get clean. The slang for methadone was "liquid handcuffs," because of how that system works.
And the social marginalization of drug addicts affects everybody. I remember an ER nurse saying that she kept a card in her purse with her doctor's phone number explaining why she had needle marks on her arms (she had Lyme disease back before the newer oral antibiotics existed), because she knew if there was an accident and she was unconcious, the ER personnel would assume she was a druggie and would work on her last (IOW would maybe let her die).
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I think all drugs should be legalised, fairly taxed, pharmaceutically prepared and properly dispensed to adults only. We are afterall in charge of our bodies and what we choose to take into them is down to us as individuals, as opposed to a a bunch of people sat in government dictating how we live. I have been quite adventurous with my drug use, not a slippery slope constantly searching for a stronger longer high, but finding out through research and then experimentation which ones suited me. There are a few drugs I always promised myself I would never stretch to and I've stuck to that, the 2 main ones being heroin and crystal meph. Amphetamines have never really interested me though I crossed Dexamphetamine Sulphate off my list when it was prescribed for my Aspergers and I wanted to make the rest of a box disappear. I really didn't get along with anything they tried me on the worst being Ritalin which has still left me damaged for life. I have however recently been taking Modafinil I've bought from India of my own choice and whilst I won't use it on a daily basis if I know there's work I need to focus on and get done then it really works wonders. My first time taking it I sat down at my desk for hours going through art commissions and finished the lot, then afterwards proceeded to hoover and dust the house, something I thought nothing could persuade me to do. I have a close friend who uses heroin not every day but definitely a few times a week and he's held down a very high paying and respectable job, and looks healthy and normal like anybody else, it's all about self control and knowing when to ease back. I haven't been interested in heroin itself as I broke my back when I was 12 and was on morphine for long enough, I can still go into hospital if the pain is severe enough and they will give me morphine there and then, or I have boxes upon boxes of Oxycontin and I'm happier to take that as I know where it has come from. I am always extremely careful what I buy and more importantly who I buy from, my only regular purchase now is cannabis and that has never been a 'gateway drug' through my dealers like someone mentioned as I only buy from people I know sell only weed. People who sell other commodities tend to be less reliant on the weed profit and so aren't bothered if you find out the bag's light and choose not to use that person anymore. Even still the quality supply of a few years ago is all but gone aside from a few little pockets left scattered throughout the UK, the majority of weed grown and sold is never properly cured, and you'll be lucky if it's even been dried since the chop. Losing up to 50% of the weight of an already overpriced product simply due to having to dry it to a level where it can be enjoyably smoked is utterly ludicrous. I obviously enjoy getting high however weed gives me a slight but quite astounding improvement to the range of motion I can put my back through compared to the drugs my doctor has prescribed legally. I have always been open with my doctors about my smoking and even though the last guy was a dick who proceeded to then blame every ailment I had on cannabis, it did not put me of telling my new doctor who happily says to me 'If it's working for you better than the valium and you feel a noticeable improvement then I see no issue' , which I thought was surprisingly cool. I have a few times become addicted to my painkillers when I've been depressed, which in the end only added to the misery, a week of equivalent to heroin withdrawal at the start of the year has sold me on not doing that again and I've been able to put the brakes on and not taken them every day. If I have to take them for work then I take weekends off them so that my body has at least 2 days to settle out and I don't get into the routine of simply taking them to make me feel better. When I'd been taking enough to keep me completely pain free for a few weeks it's not surprising how much every part of me hurt when I stopped, just minor aches that had gone completely un-noticed due to the drugs then feel like you've had your appendages ripped off when the pain relief is no longer there.
Wow I went on a bit there, sorry guys. To summarise: All Drugs NOW! But within reasonable moderation
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I support the legalization of all drugs, including the 'hard' ones like heroin and meth. I find it quite shocking that more people can't see the fairly obvious fact that almost all the problems associated with drugs arise due to their illegality. Drug prohibition has been one of the most devastating projects of the last century.
Drug addiction topic
Opium and cocaine used to be legal, and found in both prescribed and over the counter remedies Then people got hooked and later the drugs were made illegal. Not sure what is worse. Better not to use highly addictive*** drugs whether legal or not.
***psychological and/or physical.
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I'm not quite clear what is being asked to vote on. What drugs I believe should be legal, or what I actually use?
I've never used illegal drugs...too many prescription ones to keep track of as it is.
My opinion is they should all be legal and treated like alcohol and tobacco. Taxed, available to adults, illegal in situations where you'd endanger others, and if you f*** yourself up with 'em it's your own problem.
To help deal with painful memories of being the outcast, from even the Mormon church (Young Single Adults, or YSA, are similar to high school or young adult hood). I self medicated with lots of strong Canadian weed, and booze. But then my body felt sick and became poisoned. Like these wern't occasional and SANE amounts of weed or booze, or even Meth (my co-workers thought it was funny to try to get me to smoke at work in a garage parkade of our apartment grounds keeping room).
Anyways, my body wasn't getting stoned as much as pretty much it was 3 years of a purply smoke haze and I decided to quit to let my body readjust so I'd get higher or drunker. I decided I like my body more when it's clean and sober. I like the high, but I don't like the price you pay (feeling sh***y), after It's not good feeling crappy, and having a condition.
But there's nothing wrong with drinking or smoking dope.
I have an impulse to resurrect this thread on this lazy Sunday.
I've modified my views on drugs a little, and I don't see many people saying the following in quite the same way.
I still think drugs should be legal because it's your business what you put into your body. But an argument for the illegality of drugs is that we are keeping people from hurting themselves, the way you'd keep a toddler away from a hot stove. I believe there is some validity to this since drugs like opiates, at least, are very destructive and addictive and many people are probably better off just being kept from them.
The crime inherent in the illegality of drugs aside, though, I want to emphasize that drug abuse exists because it's an effective (although temporary and destructive) antidote to the pain of life. That is where the problem is, and drugs are only a symptom, although a particularly nasty and obvious one. If you had a really awful and abusive childhood and now you're poor and ugly, no one is going to necessarily give a sh*t, and numbing your emotions with alcohol (or food, or Lovecraft, or reading anti-marxist rants on the internet) is a hell of a lot easier than allowing yourself to feel the often traumatic pain of your own mundane past. I personally feel you're a lot better off without drugs, but the difficulty of facing yourself is a legitimate obstacle for many people.
I feel like I'm stating the obvious but I don't see much lip-service to this type of thing floating around.
Drugs become destructive when they become a crutch for negative emotions, AND when it's a crutch you don't really need.
I smoke marijuana pretty regularly, I see it as a small vice. I've also taken psychedelics a few times before, and my trips have actually improved how I relate to people and how I see life in general. If ANY class of drug should be legal, it's psychedelics/hallucinogens. Used responsibly, they can be therapeutic and an incredible tool for self-discovery.
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I went with other, closest option was "All drugs now" but I thought that seemed a bit extreme, however I do like drugs and am interested in trying different ones so I can't say I only take prescription drugs and drink and smoke cigs. So yeah other worked best.
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