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ASPartOfMe
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16 Apr 2015, 6:51 pm

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There is also a difference between "my self" and "my life".
It's not always possible to have both in order, and then
choice is necessary.

Your mileage may vary.


That first line is very profound. It accurately describes much of my first 5 + decades of life. I am trying to narrow the gap and being here is certainly a part of that. But nearly all the outside world presses us to make the choice to separate the two because in most cases that don't understand how deep the differences are and often they don't understand there is even a difference.


Thank you ASPartOFMe. I believe it is true for everyone but very few seem to realise it. You are not your life :)


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16 Apr 2015, 6:56 pm

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My adoptive mother took out an insurance policy on me and forged my signature. She named herself the beneficiary on the 50K policy, never told me about it until I was back at home after the birth of my daughter. She then turned around & asked ME to pay the premium while planning with the rest of the family to have my daughter taken by DSS/CPS.
She was successful in that when my daughter was 18 mos old, and I'd had a nervous breakdown because my stepfather had threatened to kill me. While I was in the hospital, she handed my daughter over, claiming I had 'abandoned her to go do drugs'.

No one in my family would take my daughter when asked by DSS, claiming they "wanted nothing to do with me". My daughter was bounced through a few foster homes and abused in a state daycare before being placed with her father's parents. They have since adopted her, changed her name, and severed all contact with me. DSS social workers encouraged them to view me as "just the birth mother" and someone who is "not family".

She was the only blood relative I have ever known, and the only one to ever say they loved me.


It's such an evil world StrayCat. Your story is breathtaking. When I tell mine, the few people who believe it,
can't believe it either. "Rid yourself of the notion that other people's families are as messed up as yours, and they
are just better at hiding it. They are not." People who come from normal families cannot comprehend :(

It's very hard if it happens and you are too old (female) to have another family. At least I find it so. But I have tried
living with a bad conscience and I still know which is worse.



I'm not too old, I just can't ever have another child without DCF swooping in and taking them away because I was already declared unfit once.
But it is nice to hear that I'm not alone as far as sh*t happening because of horrid family members.



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16 Apr 2015, 7:27 pm

I feel my parents loved me but they didn't deep down accept me. Since both of my parents have passed, my siblings see no need to keep in contact with me which is fine with me since I won't grovel and accept the status-quo of how we interacted before I knew I had Aspergers.



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17 Apr 2015, 12:10 am

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I should be worthwhile, full stop.


But how to deal when you know you aren't? No family; friends who will talk to you, but if you find yourself homeless (as I have dozens of times in the past), are unwilling to let you move in..?

Worthwhile people have support systems, worthless people have state programmes. There's no red tape or forms to fill out and proofs to submit with family.


Chickenbird is right.

Being homeless is being homeless, full stop. Having no support system is having no support system, full stop.
Being unwilling or willing to support is a mixture out of many things (capacity, power of judgement, a more or less developed sense for the the social, empathy/compassion, anxiety, interest, nastiness), but does not mean that the supportive and non-supportive people or the supported and the rejected ones are more or less worthwhile or worthless.



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17 Apr 2015, 1:04 am

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People who come from normal families cannot comprehend :(


They can, at least to a certain degree, they are just puzzled.

I could comprehend quite a lot even before my own seemingly totally absurd experience with a psychopathic ex, a CPS and the family court system, but now I know much better how it actually works and what to do about it.

I would have understood less, and be more shattered by having taken the custody for my child taken away, had I not listened to some people like you before. It helped me somehow to stand it better and to sort things out. So chickenbird and straycat, keep talking about your experiences also to people from normal families, even if they dont react a lot.



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29 May 2015, 9:14 pm

Over the last several posts on this thread, does your reference to a "normal" family mean a family without someone on the Autism spectrum?

There are lots of families out there, that are not very functional. They have drama, they are toxic and mean to each other. The old idea of basic family being dad, mom, 2.5 kids, a dog and a picket fence- does that exist much at all? Most parents, families try hard and do the best they can. Struggles come, sometimes they go, sometimes the struggles stay awhile.

At least here on the Wrong Planet, you have friends, who may live hundreds of miles away, or more, who understand the struggles and generally offer decent advice and support.

Thank you for the investment you make in each others lives and well-being.



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29 May 2015, 9:21 pm

When I say "normal" family, I mean one where they actually love their children, adopted or not. THAT, to me, is normal. The situation I grew up in after age 11 was anything but normal; I've never heard of a mother telling her child that "unconditional love is BS" unless that mother truly hates the child or is severely mentally ill.



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30 May 2015, 12:09 am

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When I say "normal" family, I mean one where they actually love their children, adopted or not. THAT, to me, is normal. The situation I grew up in after age 11 was anything but normal; I've never heard of a mother telling her child that "unconditional love is BS" unless that mother truly hates the child or is severely mentally ill.


Yes. I've been told similar things too when no-one was looking. I don't want to be mean but reassurances about normal families mean nothing when you didn't have one, because you are unlikely to marry into one or befriend anyone with one if you didn't have one yourself. At least not before the age of 50, when it allegedly becomes harder to tell.

If you hated your experience, I would say, that's a pretty reliable starting point. There is no need to wonder "how you should feel". But always look for a greater truth.


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02 Jun 2015, 12:41 am

It's good to know I'm not alone, some of the stories here I could've written almost word by word.

I come from a family where the members pick and choose who from the family they want to be in touch with and are cruel to the rest. The members that are socio-economically successful are the popular ones who can say they have family. As an aspie, I'm of course an outcast.

As some pointed out here very wisely, I wouldn't fare better if I did have a relationship with them, because their relationship when there is one is totally phony and lacking real caring. They just all try to appear successful and attractive to be in touch with so they will have a few people to show for relatives. Lots of competing for the attention of other family members, since true caring cannot be had. Lots of trying to get away with money from members who have it. All based on a pyramid of sycophancy. An exclusive social club you have to work very hard to belong to and keep up with. Any bits of attention/caring are hard-earned and never secure.

I left them when I hit my forties and suddenly my aspie naivete broke and I started seeing hidden stuff among humans. No one minded a bit, I was the black sheep all my life anyway.

But with no friends either due to social impairment caused by autism and a dysfunctional family growing up, life is a constant wondering whether it's worth it to go on. Were it not for my devotion to stray cats, I guess I wouldn't be here. So I set out to keep them alive and they ended up keeping me alive. :D


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02 Jun 2015, 9:15 am

Moondust wrote:

Were it not for my devotion to stray cats, I guess I wouldn't be here. So I set out to keep them alive and they ended up keeping me alive. :D



Cats are the miracle drug lol. I, too, am a child of Bast (you have her as your avatar, I have her tattooed on my left shoulder) and am fostering two beautiful & affectionate Maine Coons for the summer.

I can relate so very well to the fake family; mine is exactly the same :(



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02 Jun 2015, 12:10 pm

Interesting how each other's avatars are so meaningful to us!


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03 Jun 2015, 3:23 am

chapstan wrote:
Over the last several posts on this thread, does your reference to a "normal" family mean a family without someone on the Autism spectrum?

No.



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03 Jun 2015, 8:35 am

So then Evam if you didn't define normal as one without someone on the spectrum, how do you define normal?



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15 Jun 2015, 4:37 pm

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So then Evam if you didn't define normal as one without someone on the spectrum, how do you define normal?

Caring and no abuse.



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16 Jun 2015, 11:32 pm

Evam wrote:
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So then Evam if you didn't define normal as one without someone on the spectrum, how do you define normal?

Caring and no abuse.


Sometimes i wonder if the 2nd part can be said to be totally normal.

At least if "normal" here has something to do with a preponderance.