Cons of getting legaly diagnosed
assuming someone is employable by their own / employer's standards (can keep it together at work, etc) why would getting a diagnosis make a difference?
you can always opt to keep it private, no?
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In California, I would keep it quiet. Even though it was a confirmed MISdiagnosis, I was written up as a paranoid schizophrenic at age 8, and that was placed on state records since I was enrolled in a state-funded mental hospital school program. Every time I'd get a job as an adult, sooner or later the Workmens Comp insurance would unearth that old diagnosis, and I'd get immediately suspended or they state would cancel the workmens comp for the whole company. Seems that the government considers paranoid schizophrenics; wrongly diagnosed or otherwise, "a physical danger to himself and those in proximity", as was written to a boss I worked for in the early 2000s. I haven't a violent bone in my body, and I even get all upset if I have to swat a fly.
That's the type of stigma that can follow you if you get ANYTHING written up on you in government records.
Now, since 2006, I'm self-employed, working in CA, but a legal resident of the State of Texas, where they don't seem to recognize CA health records.
Charles
because that @#$!-ing piece of paper doesn't tell them what you know. It tells them you stuck it out for the required amount of time and jumped through the required amount of hoops and took the required amount of @#$% it takes to get that piece of paper.
that is mostly what they want to know is can you do all of that?
That piece of paper says you can.
Merle
I think you just managed to define the inherent problem I have with the whole system of education and work.
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I personally don't know of any cons when it comes to the workplace. What I do know is that the government is paying me 600 big ones every month until I graduate College and get a job. I also get much needed assistance in my academics. ANd none of this would be possible if I had no diagnosis. There are good things about being diagnosed.
Listen, I tell you this from personal experience having worked in the insurance industry -and- from what Ive seen happen to others who got the diagnosis -and- from what im experiencing now.
Dont.
dont dont dont get a diagnosis unless you seriously need it to get help from the gov (and thats as a last resort).
Insurance companies check everything. Your medical files, the records of all major pharmacies, hospitals and mental institutions and prior insurance policies you've held.
Its all computerized checks .. and although they cant access the doctor's records or your personal medical records but they can definetely see IF your previous insurance paid the bill for a drug or visits to certain doctors. If any red flags it gets passed to a human team who'se sole job is to dig dirt in order to increase the cost of your premium as much as possible and, if what they find is too much of a risk, deny you.
(though the new obama rules..they cant deny you but they sure as hell can increase the price to unsustainable rates).
Case in point, if you took an antidepressant and a previous insurance paid for it.. the insurance co. will know of it. Red flag. If the psychologist you visited years ago is part of a network of doctors (which most are nowadays) and put your name on their systems... they will know about it. You wouldn't believe the crap I saw these computer checks find on people that was used to deny them. I was glad I was working in data entry at the time and didnt have to be part of that BS.. but I did get to see the reports every week and could look into them.
Ive seen people in autism centers get so-so assistance from the gov. because of their diagnose & being placed on disability... and for some it was really needed. Those that lived independently or were married however, didnt fare very well. it was almost impossible for them to get jobs in the same fields they worked at before the diagnosis.
the diagnosis also closes shut many other doors you never thought you'd want to open. In my case I found the perfect place on this earth to live in.. its overseas. If i was diagnosed I would be instantly denied the chance to apply for residence there.. despite the fact that ive been employed for 20 years, have an education and im vastly more capable to contribute to the country's economy than other people they allow in.
the LABEL of disability in any way is a stain in your personal file. dont let it get in there unless the good that comes from it far, far outweigh the bad.
Dont.
dont dont dont get a diagnosis unless you seriously need it to get help from the gov (and thats as a last resort).
Insurance companies check everything. Your medical files, the records of all major pharmacies, hospitals and mental institutions and prior insurance policies you've held.
Its all computerized checks .. and although they cant access the doctor's records or your personal medical records but they can definetely see IF your previous insurance paid the bill for a drug or visits to certain doctors. If any red flags it gets passed to a human team who'se sole job is to dig dirt in order to increase the cost of your premium as much as possible and, if what they find is too much of a risk, deny you.
(though the new obama rules..they cant deny you but they sure as hell can increase the price to unsustainable rates).
Case in point, if you took an antidepressant and a previous insurance paid for it.. the insurance co. will know of it. Red flag. If the psychologist you visited years ago is part of a network of doctors (which most are nowadays) and put your name on their systems... they will know about it. You wouldn't believe the crap I saw these computer checks find on people that was used to deny them. I was glad I was working in data entry at the time and didnt have to be part of that BS.. but I did get to see the reports every week and could look into them.
Ive seen people in autism centers get so-so assistance from the gov. because of their diagnose & being placed on disability... and for some it was really needed. Those that lived independently or were married however, didnt fare very well. it was almost impossible for them to get jobs in the same fields they worked at before the diagnosis.
the diagnosis also closes shut many other doors you never thought you'd want to open. In my case I found the perfect place on this earth to live in.. its overseas. If i was diagnosed I would be instantly denied the chance to apply for residence there.. despite the fact that ive been employed for 20 years, have an education and im vastly more capable to contribute to the country's economy than other people they allow in.
the LABEL of disability in any way is a stain in your personal file. dont let it get in there unless the good that comes from it far, far outweigh the bad.
This was helpful, thank you.
Dont.
dont dont dont get a diagnosis unless you seriously need it to get help from the gov (and thats as a last resort).
Now I find out. My diagnosis as Asperger's is "official" as of last Thursday, though I've yet to get the letter confirming what I've been told orally. Neither the psychiatrist nor the social worker I normally see felt competent to do the diagnosing for anything ASD related so I've been going to a research clinic affiliated with a large hospital.
The process was exhausting and I guess exhaustive. Three different sets of interviews, what must have been a total of four or five hours of tests ranging from the traditional IQ variety to these bizarre video-game like push the screen things. I also must have filled out a 10 page form prior to acceptance into the program, with my spouse doing the same thing, except about me, obviously.
So if this information is tied back to me I guess they'll calculate my personality to four decimal points.
Curiously, even the one silver lining I was looking for got shot down. I figured if I came up as a "yes" on Asperger's, I could consider myself a "no" on ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive), e.g. call it a misdiagnosis since this sort of thing is apparently common. Nope. I'm being told that that this is still legit in my case. Which I guess means that when I'm not misinterpreting social cues I'm daydreaming and ignoring them.
That ain't good, when you're me.
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Dont.
dont dont dont get a diagnosis unless you seriously need it to get help from the gov (and thats as a last resort).
Insurance companies check everything. Your medical files, the records of all major pharmacies, hospitals and mental institutions and prior insurance policies you've held.
Its all computerized checks .. and although they cant access the doctor's records or your personal medical records but they can definetely see IF your previous insurance paid the bill for a drug or visits to certain doctors. If any red flags it gets passed to a human team who'se sole job is to dig dirt in order to increase the cost of your premium as much as possible and, if what they find is too much of a risk, deny you.
(though the new obama rules..they cant deny you but they sure as hell can increase the price to unsustainable rates).
Case in point, if you took an antidepressant and a previous insurance paid for it.. the insurance co. will know of it. Red flag. If the psychologist you visited years ago is part of a network of doctors (which most are nowadays) and put your name on their systems... they will know about it. You wouldn't believe the crap I saw these computer checks find on people that was used to deny them. I was glad I was working in data entry at the time and didnt have to be part of that BS.. but I did get to see the reports every week and could look into them.
Ive seen people in autism centers get so-so assistance from the gov. because of their diagnose & being placed on disability... and for some it was really needed. Those that lived independently or were married however, didnt fare very well. it was almost impossible for them to get jobs in the same fields they worked at before the diagnosis.
the diagnosis also closes shut many other doors you never thought you'd want to open. In my case I found the perfect place on this earth to live in.. its overseas. If i was diagnosed I would be instantly denied the chance to apply for residence there.. despite the fact that ive been employed for 20 years, have an education and im vastly more capable to contribute to the country's economy than other people they allow in.
the LABEL of disability in any way is a stain in your personal file. dont let it get in there unless the good that comes from it far, far outweigh the bad.
An interesting and thought provoking post. I want a diagnosis just to 'know' whether I truly have it or not, but I also have plans to move out of the UK in the future and I don't want to be rejected on disability grounds.
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To quote an old advertisement: "Inquiring minds want to know." I just talked to my GP this morning & she's referring me to a psychiatrist for neuro-testing. I already know I have hearing issues (can't process more than one talking person at a time), & I know I have a lot of AS symptoms: touch sensations, easily overwhelmed, socially awkward, etc. I would love to either rule it out, or get it on the record. This garbage about I can't have something because it's a kid issue is ridiculous.
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If you had no diagnosis and took the antidepressant they will most likely try to ascertain why you were taking it. Its not something that's given out exclusively to people with any form of autism. In the process of asking you why you took it is where they will try to find out. Most likely they'd send a form for you to sign where you give them auth. to check medical files & all that jazz.
you have the diagnosis now... and with the coming obama rules maybe it wont be a problem (I honestly dont know, i worked on the insurance co. 6 years ago) but still, its in your file and from now on its something employers or health insurance or life insurance may use against you. 'nothing personal, just business' type of thing.
"Which I guess means that when I'm not misinterpreting social cues I'm daydreaming and ignoring them. "
you know yourself better than them... all they get paid to do is listen to you, talk to you, poke at you and decide a label to slap on. heck they even have a label for when they cant decide what to label you but know something is off.
what if you have be (miss)diagnosed with something other then AS? Will that affect my ability to move over seas? I was labeled almost everything they had when I was a kid, ADD/ADHD/Depression/anxiety/Bipolar, and the worst miss diangosis, A-typical personality disorder. All of this is on My record. Would getting an AS diagnosis help erase some of these, or will it just be added to the stack?
will I ever be able to move? I'm not on any meds or gov disability, but I know that I qualify.
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