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DW_a_mom
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24 Jun 2010, 11:06 am

Short term, I have decided to move this into one of our adult sections, just to reduce visibility. It looks like the OP should have access.


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24 Jun 2010, 11:20 am

The reaction is a bit overdone but typically normal. I'm not sure how you worded the poll, but a large number of people are going to lash out concerning the subject matter. If you are concerned about the perception associated with incest you should delete the poll, if not why not continue to get a better idea of what people really feel? I'm not sure how facebook works, but if the poll is anonymous I'd leave it.


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24 Jun 2010, 11:29 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
Short term, I have decided to move this into one of our adult sections, just to reduce visibility. It looks like the OP should have access.

You picked a more questionable adult section for this thread though.

This section is more for people who have lived a long time and about the experiences of that. You probably really want the sexually oriented "Adult Autism Issues" section. http://www.wrongplanet.net/forum17.html

PPR made some sense for this topic, honestly, but.... I don't know what's driving your efforts. It almost seems that you are reinforcing the stigma that Descartes has questions about.



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24 Jun 2010, 11:56 am

Descartes wrote:
sartresue wrote:
Debase debate topic

There are many human beings, some members of this forum, who have been victims of incest, often involving child pornography. There will be psychologcial scars, anger, fear and depression. If I was such a victim, I could have answered very emotionally and perhaps without regard to your feelings.

Your question is not one that can be logically answered with a yes or no, and then go merrily on one's way, unless of course, I was a person who wanted incest to be legal, and then I would mount a huge argument stating why I thought it should be an act for which I am not criminally charged.


I can understand the emotional factor that could come into play, but I don't see how calling me a "sick f**k" would be necessary, especially considering you don't even know how I answered the poll. All I asked was whether or not people thought incest should be legal, and of course I'd encourage debating, but insulting me is where I draw the line.


I don't think this sort of topic should ever be up for debate, there are some very strong reasons why incest is wrong.
Descartes you seem to be oblivious to the pain and suffering inflicted on the victims of incest, since your surprised
at the anger your little poll generates. I am not going to bother calling you a sick f&%# since it obviously only makes
you feel victimized,



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24 Jun 2010, 12:23 pm

silentbob15 wrote:
I don't think this sort of topic should ever be up for debate, there are some very strong reasons why incest is wrong.
Descartes you seem to be oblivious to the pain and suffering inflicted on the victims of incest, since your surprised
at the anger your little poll generates. I am not going to bother calling you a sick f&%# since it obviously only makes
you feel victimized,


When I created the poll, I had consensual adult incest in mind, and I figured everybody else answering the poll would have known that. This has already been covered earlier in the thread.



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24 Jun 2010, 12:23 pm

I'd leave such a poll up, some people just can't respond to certain things without not only expressing their opinions as well as attacking the OP.

As far as incest goes, I'd say yuck. But as far as legality is concerned, my answer is always the same. 2 Adults + Consent = None of my or the governments business. But children should always be protected from abuse.

PS. Did you know that in New York it is legal to marry your first cousin?


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24 Jun 2010, 12:25 pm

Epilefftic wrote:
PS. Did you know that in New York it is legal to marry your first cousin?


I knew that cousin-marrying was already legal in many states.



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24 Jun 2010, 12:27 pm

Descartes wrote:
silentbob15 wrote:
I don't think this sort of topic should ever be up for debate, there are some very strong reasons why incest is wrong.
Descartes you seem to be oblivious to the pain and suffering inflicted on the victims of incest, since your surprised
at the anger your little poll generates. I am not going to bother calling you a sick f&%# since it obviously only makes
you feel victimized,


When I created the poll, I had consensual adult incest in mind, and I figured everybody else answering the poll would have known that. This has already been covered earlier in the thread.

I am guessing that the distinction isn't as clear as you thought. Honestly, I would actually think as you do about what the question means upon reading a poll about incest, and I didn't actually see what others do. But, apparently the issue gets very easily combined with intra-family rape enough that people aren't separating the two issues, as your question never actually implies anything of the nature of "is intra-family rape fine?".



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24 Jun 2010, 12:29 pm

You should have a link to the poll so I can leave a comment :roll:



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24 Jun 2010, 12:41 pm

It is extremely difficult for many people to discuss subjects that have a low emotional flash point. "Flash-point subjects" bring out emotions that are so strong in some people that they cannot form enough rational thoughts to begin a logical discussion. The inability to step back from their own emotions frustrates the effort addressing the subject. The only outlet they can find to express anything is to attack the person who brought up the subject.
("Argumentum ad hominem" is the logical fallacy of attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument.)


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24 Jun 2010, 12:46 pm

silentbob15 wrote:
You should have a link to the poll so I can leave a comment :roll:


You're not going to flame me, are you? :roll:



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24 Jun 2010, 1:10 pm

If you can delete the troll responses to your poll, delete the responses.

They are intellectual vandals trying to vandalize the forum of public policy debate. Don't let them get away with it: KEEP THE POLL.



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24 Jun 2010, 1:14 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
If you can delete the troll responses to your poll, delete the responses.

They are intellectual vandals trying to vandalize the forum of public policy debate. Don't let them get away with it: KEEP THE POLL.

I wasn't aware that you felt so strongly about incest. Fantasizing a cousin or sister? :P



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24 Jun 2010, 1:22 pm

Just out of curiosity:

What was the reason for asking the question in the first place?



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24 Jun 2010, 1:22 pm

Epilefftic wrote:
But as far as legality is concerned, my answer is always the same. 2 Adults + Consent = None of my or the governments business. But children should always be protected from abuse.

PS. Did you know that in New York it is legal to marry your first cousin?


NY is one of the few northern states to allow it, several southern states also allow it. Really, I don't understand how states even got to the point of probibiting incest. The genetic fears have pretty much been disproven, really, leaving the argument as "but think of the children" and people not realizing we already have other laws that cover doing things with a minor regardless who does them. Though, in theory, it is more damaging to a kid if it was an adult specifically in a position to protect the kid (such as a parent, guardian, teacher, coach...) than a stranger performing the act.

So, what we really need is a legal redefining to match what many have in their heads - adult with related kid.



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24 Jun 2010, 1:27 pm

Honestly, I don't see a problem with incest between consenting adults. If it results in defective offspring they always have the option of aborting.

As for your poll; if your identity is in no danger of being revealed then I suggest you keep it up.