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01 May 2014, 2:35 pm

Desertnomad, are you more afraid of the added load someone with an ASD would struggle with or passing on the genes?


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01 May 2014, 2:40 pm

I'm more concerned about having someone have to deal with growing up autistic. But I guess now that I think about it many non autistic people still have autistic kids but it seems like your chances are probably higher to have an autistic child if you yourself are autistic.



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01 May 2014, 3:36 pm

Look at things like its a backwards reflection.
Autistic with so many "normal" people around, it may seem so, but you may be the next evolutionary step in its early stages..
Consider if it was the other way around, with most of the populations are much like you, would the so called normals of our now be able to adjust to their new world as we have to theirs? could they adapt?


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01 May 2014, 11:40 pm

Hi.
I think a greater concern is the ability of the autistic parent as a parent, rather than the possibility that the autistic parent has an autistic child. After all, in any pregnancy there is a chance that the child will have a "disability".
However, the parent with autism already has it for sure, regardless of whether their children do, or not.

Speaking only for myself, if I knew then what I know now, I would not have children.

Not that there is anything unsatisfactory about my children, they are great.
Just that I am seriously defective as a parent: irritable, impatient, focussed on my own interests, unable to read eye messages and body language, and so on. I also choose partners poorly, which is added stress to my children.
Unfortunately for everybody, I had no idea that I was on the autism spectrum until after I had children. Yes, it is possible for me to improve my social skills. But it is so much harder to do this when you have AS. I am accustomed to succeeding at the things I work hard at, but this.... well, it's different.
I care very much about my children, in fact, about everyone. However, I do not have the skills to communicate this to them, which is what relationships are all about.
Basically, being a parent with AS is hard work. Both for the kids and for the parent.

Now, there are many people who choose not to have children, for many reasons.
I would suggest that having autism is on the "cons" side, not the "pros" side of the decision table.



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03 May 2014, 5:14 pm

First of all, anyone having children is doing so for selfish reasons. No child has ever asked to be conceived. They do not want to come into existence. They cannot - because they don't exist. (And whether they will want to continue existing after being born is irrelevant at the time of the decision.) Society isn't asking you for more children, either, except in rare cases - but even then I doubt people really have children for their country's sake.

Now, "selfish" doesn't automatically mean "wrong". It's just important to be clear that you're not doing this for anyone other than yourself. Perhaps their life will be a good one overall and the joy they bring to your life outweighs whatever suffering they do go through, but it's a risk you're taking - with someone else's life.

The current scientific view (AFAIK) is that someone on the spectrum is more likely than average to have a child on the spectrum. I think few here would disagree that autism makes their life harder to some degree. Therefore an aspie having children strikes me as being more selfish than normal - you're prepared to have your child pay a higher price for whatever benefit you get out of having them. It's hard to say where the to draw the line between "questionable" and "wrong" here, but it's a moral risk I'd be highly reluctant to take myself.

Of course, the same argument applies (to some degree) to anyone who brings children into the world in less-than-ideal conditions. So in my opinion the vast majority of people should not have children. If only people made that decision rationally they might agree with me.


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03 May 2014, 5:54 pm

Speaking as a parent, I just want to point out that the definition of autism has changed, and for the majority of people with older kids and adult children who have been diagnosed with ASD, that label came after this was being considered for the child. Not before. And could not be considered prior to conceiving.

Children are people. Autism is a wide spectrum.

Is anyone who has ASD happy, I wonder? And then I look at my child who has ASD and my other child who has a learning disability. And I see life being easier for my child who has ASD. And others here have written similar things.

Autism is a spectrum. And blaming ourselves for having ASD just carries out someone else's agenda.



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05 May 2014, 2:44 pm

desertnomad wrote:
I think that anyone who as Asperger's or autism should not have kids. I mean I guess its your choice but come on think about how hard your life because of autism. Would you really want your kid to have to suffer from that?


Well first of all, you are assuming that your child will somehow be affected more by having a parent with autism than a parent with any other disorder. By that standard many people on this planet would not have children. If that is your belief then it sounds a bit eugenist and remember for a long time so called perfect human specimens made decisions on who and who should not have children along with forced sterilizations for many who were considered unfit. Say what you will about overpopulation. Why should someone who wants to have a child not be allowed to because they have autism?


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05 May 2014, 3:01 pm

desertnomad wrote:
I think that anyone who as Asperger's or autism should not have kids. I mean I guess its your choice but come on think about how hard your life because of autism. Would you really want your kid to have to suffer from that?


Kiss my ass! I have four kids and I love them and they turned out just fine.


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05 May 2014, 3:15 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
desertnomad wrote:
I think that anyone who as Asperger's or autism should not have kids. I mean I guess its your choice but come on think about how hard your life because of autism. Would you really want your kid to have to suffer from that?


Kiss my ass! I have four kids and I love them and they turned out just fine.


I know right? I have one child (so far) and these anti-breeder/eugenicist posts piss me off!



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05 May 2014, 5:08 pm

structrix wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
desertnomad wrote:
I think that anyone who as Asperger's or autism should not have kids. I mean I guess its your choice but come on think about how hard your life because of autism. Would you really want your kid to have to suffer from that?


Kiss my ass! I have four kids and I love them and they turned out just fine.


I know right? I have one child (so far) and these anti-breeder/eugenicist posts piss me off!


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Well said.



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06 May 2014, 7:50 am

It totally goes against biological principles to only have perfect people breed. Diversity is what makes a species strong. It's simply not science to say that a so called "imperfect" human should not have children. RIDICULOUS!



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06 May 2014, 8:16 am

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It totally goes against biological principles to only have perfect people breed. Diversity is what makes a species strong. It's simply not science to say that a so called "imperfect" human should not have children. RIDICULOUS!


As far as I know, all mine are NT, except I do think that my youngest son may very well have some mild AS. He's not interested in getting tested though. My kids are popular, don't have social skills problems, understand hints and subtle things, don't have weird phobias (other than spiders and needles) and haven't had any of the problems I've had. Just because I have AS doesn't mean my kids will have it, and it doesn't mean I won't be a good mother. I resent the hell out of the OP's post.


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06 May 2014, 8:44 am

I thought having a kid would force me to interact with society more.

I was wrong.

I would sit at my son's soccer games, alone. Never talked to another parent and nobody every approached me

I went to every school night, conference, alone. Never talked to another parent and nobody every approached me

I never realized what a social being really was until I had my son. He would talk to anyone and everyone.

ZERO fear, tons of self confidence. I honestly don't know how he turned out so well with me as his mom (he has never met his father)

I do not regret having my son though it wasn't easy for me to have a relationship with someone I could't escape from. He is everything I am not. I could not have 'made' him the way he is, he was born that way



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06 May 2014, 9:11 am

It totally goes against biological principles to only have perfect people breed. Diversity is what makes a species strong. It's simply not science to say that a so called "imperfect" human should not have children. RIDICULOUS!



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06 May 2014, 9:14 am

sueinphilly wrote:
I thought having a kid would force me to interact with society more.

I was wrong.

I would sit at my son's soccer games, alone. Never talked to another parent and nobody every approached me

I went to every school night, conference, alone. Never talked to another parent and nobody every approached me

I never realized what a social being really was until I had my son. He would talk to anyone and everyone.

ZERO fear, tons of self confidence. I honestly don't know how he turned out so well with me as his mom (he has never met his father)

I do not regret having my son though it wasn't easy for me to have a relationship with someone I could't escape from. He is everything I am not. I could not have 'made' him the way he is, he was born that way


Well said. And that is even true for me with my son being 2 and a half. I still sit at most events alone and I think I will probably end up sitting alone at many more.



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06 May 2014, 1:26 pm

I have absolutely no clue how people become friends. Strangers meet and then have a relationship. HOW?????

I swear I have some type of halo around me that says "do not approach"

I definitely knew by the time my son was 2 1/2 that he was different from me. He was 'normal'

I had a kid on purpose. I was a single mom from the day I got pregnant. I wanted a chance to treat a kid the way I wished I had been treated. I thought I would get a kid 'like me'. That didn't happen.

At the age of 7 my son went to overnight camp for a month. No homesickness whatsoever.

At the age of 12, he took a train to New York City (into Penn station) by himself (to meet my brother). He had been to NY many times (I escorted him from the age of 3 so he could spend a weekend with my brother). And he did this with no cell phone.