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14 Mar 2010, 8:52 pm

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My kids are fine, but I suspect my dog is aspergers.

Sorry if some of my posts are on the terse side. I just hate young people. If you haven't got Electric Ladyland on vinyl then you're not a real person.

I think you need to find a "Get Off My Lawn" forum, there are people here that are of all ages and personalities, most get along fine



I can be a very funny and personable person. You'd be suprised. I just have little patience at this moment in time. But I seriously like your idea of the Get of my lawn forum. Actually, how about one where people could post and I could insult them. That would make me happy and might be funny. I can be very inventive when it comes to the verbal put down.



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14 Mar 2010, 8:58 pm

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I was diagnosed in 1997 at age 12 before it became a fad.


Sorry Leageue_Girl. just found this one. Fad it seems to be. Not that I really care too much what others do, but the current fad for it is obscuring things for me and making it hard to distinguish between people in the same boat as myself and everyone else.

Incidentally, I read your "marriage" thread. I sort of understand it all. Marriage for me was a logical decision made mostly out of self-preservation.

Oh... and we needed a new toaster at the time.



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14 Mar 2010, 9:06 pm

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I too learned I was AS in middle-age and I went through something of an identity crisis. There's nothing more counter-productive than a 'poor me' attitude(as my father, also AS can attest to). I'm sorry that you feel you are suffering. In what way, do you suffer? There is always a way forward, maybe it's about choosing the right path. You also need to give yourself time to come to terms with the diagnosis - and have some faith in yourself. You sound very down - I remember being there once, plus with a child newly diagnosed. You can turn it round.

I like your attitude CR 8)



I missed this one amongst the other posts.

Currently I am suffering from the pressure of keeping in employment, assisting my wife with dealing with this and trying to work out what the next step is. I have had other "issues" and due to several misdiagnosis over the last 8 months my brain chemistry has been tampered with to help with conditions I never had.

As you say, it's choosing the right path.



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14 Mar 2010, 9:13 pm

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maybe this?

I am not in the UK, so I have not done much looking into that... but that link might be of use... might not be... I suppose the worst that could happen is it is of no use to you and you are no worse off than you are now, minus the few minutes of your life spent looking at the link...


This does point to a few useful looking places. Thankyou kindly, you are a treasure.



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14 Mar 2010, 9:28 pm

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I was diagnosed in 1997 at age 12 before it became a fad.


Sorry Leageue_Girl. just found this one. Fad it seems to be. Not that I really care too much what others do, but the current fad for it is obscuring things for me and making it hard to distinguish between people in the same boat as myself and everyone else.

Incidentally, I read your "marriage" thread. I sort of understand it all. Marriage for me was a logical decision made mostly out of self-preservation.

Oh... and we needed a new toaster at the time.



You were acting all superior and stuff because you talked about how lot of people here don't have AS and you mention life experience and acted like whoever was born after 1968 isn't valid and aren't real.

Yes I looked up that album you talked about.



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14 Mar 2010, 9:32 pm

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My kids are fine, but I suspect my dog is aspergers.

Sorry if some of my posts are on the terse side. I just hate young people. If you haven't got Electric Ladyland on vinyl then you're not a real person.


Hmm......... I am 53. Diagnosed with atypical autism in childhood. Deaf so I don't own music records.

I don't understand why you are suffering. Or why you want a group. Most autistic people do well in solitary pursuit.

This is the first time I have left the games area, or the getting to know you.

I am really surprised.



Like many aspies, he seems to have a huge superiority complex going on.


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middle-aged late diagnosed UK diagnosed Asperger sufferers


Yep, good luck finding that one on Google. :lol:



Oh hell... I nearly wet my pants when I read this.

I'll try and explain this one again.


No. I do not feel superior. And the fact that you think Aspergers is a reason for someone to feel superior says more about you than it does about me. OK. Maybe not you, but a lot of people who post here. Personally I see this as a curse, a disability and a serious handicap to my life. This thing in my head has destroyed the lives of anyone who has cared about me over the last 4 decades. It is only recently that "it" has been given a name and I need some advice in several very specific areas.

If you view Aspergers as some sort of elitist club then feel free to do so but do not judge me by your own standards please.


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14 Mar 2010, 9:49 pm

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I was diagnosed in 1997 at age 12 before it became a fad.


Sorry Leageue_Girl. just found this one. Fad it seems to be. Not that I really care too much what others do, but the current fad for it is obscuring things for me and making it hard to distinguish between people in the same boat as myself and everyone else.

Incidentally, I read your "marriage" thread. I sort of understand it all. Marriage for me was a logical decision made mostly out of self-preservation.

Oh... and we needed a new toaster at the time.



You were acting all superior and stuff because you talked about how lot of people here don't have AS and you mention life experience and acted like whoever was born after 1968 isn't valid and aren't real.

Yes I looked up that album you talked about.



I was being a little unfair. I'd push the 1968 barrier up to 1973 to include works by The Stooges such as "Raw Power". Actually, make that 1979 to encompass the earlier work of "The Clash". But that is my final offer of a cut off point.


I don;t feel superior about this - I feel like s***. And I feel angry and frustrated. Honestly I cannot understand why a feeling of superiority could be drawn form this condition but the whole AS thing seems to be a fad right now. I am confused why anyone would wish this on themselves.



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14 Mar 2010, 9:56 pm

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My kids are fine, but I suspect my dog is aspergers.

Sorry if some of my posts are on the terse side. I just hate young people. If you haven't got Electric Ladyland on vinyl then you're not a real person.


Hmm......... I am 53. Diagnosed with atypical autism in childhood. Deaf so I don't own music records.

I don't understand why you are suffering. Or why you want a group. Most autistic people do well in solitary pursuit.

This is the first time I have left the games area, or the getting to know you.

I am really surprised.



Like many aspies, he seems to have a huge superiority complex going on.


spacecadetdave wrote:
middle-aged late diagnosed UK diagnosed Asperger sufferers


Yep, good luck finding that one on Google. :lol:



Oh hell... I nearly wet my pants when I read this.

I'll try and explain this one again.


No. I do not feel superior. And the fact that you think Aspergers is a reason for someone to feel superior says more about you than it does about me. OK. Maybe not you, but a lot of people who post here. Personally I see this as a curse, a disability and a serious handicap to my life. This thing in my head has destroyed the lives of anyone who has cared about me over the last 4 decades. It is only recently that "it" has been given a name and I need some advice in several very specific areas.

If you view Aspergers as some sort of elitist club then feel free to do so but do not judge me by your own standards please.


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14 Mar 2010, 10:05 pm

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maybe this?

I am not in the UK, so I have not done much looking into that... but that link might be of use... might not be... I suppose the worst that could happen is it is of no use to you and you are no worse off than you are now, minus the few minutes of your life spent looking at the link...


This does point to a few useful looking places. Thankyou kindly, you are a treasure.


No thing... I wish I had more for you. As it is, I am terrible about not going past myself and since you are nowhere near me, my awareness of such things that could apply to you are limited at best.

You know, I feel you on the whole being medicated for conditions you do not have nonsense. They tell you to take this or that and 'poof' you will fit into the mold of 'what you are supposed to be'. You will magically be cured of what they think is wrong with you. Then you have to adjust to the pills, cope with side effects, then deal with getting off of them... all for things that were not wrong with you in the first place. It is infuriating. The med roller coaster is a hell to not be taken lightly. It frustrates me very much how careless these professionals can be with such invasive medications... much more frustrates me on that topic, but that has no place here... I guess I say all of that to say that I hope you do not have to deal with that anymore and that if you are still dealing with lingering side effects, that they disappear soon for you.


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14 Mar 2010, 11:06 pm

I wonder as you think Asperger's is a fad and overdiagnosed, why you think yours is an accurate diagnosis?

You actually seem far too emotional to me to be on the Autism spectrum.


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14 Mar 2010, 11:21 pm

He sounds like a guy who is suffering low self esteem because he has AS and doesn't want to have it.


Spacecadetdave,


I never wished it on myself. I don't complain about having it because complaining about it won't make it go away. I also have anxiety and learning difficulties and I struggled in school and wouldn't have finished if I never got the help I needed. I don't complain about having that disability because it won't make it go away. I just live with it and not be upset about it. I don't like it but it's part of me so I have to live with it and accept it. I used to moan about having AS and then I stopped complaining because it wasn't doing me any good. I'd rather be happy than focus on my condition and let it ruin my life and worrying about what am I doing is aspie or not. I don't think people with cancer would complain about being sick or people who have diabetes or people in wheelchairs because what good would it do?

Were you unhappy before your DX or were you happy?
Before my DX I was happy and thought I was normal but I just had to try harder to be normal but I knew I was different. I probably knew deep down I had something because I used to say "What's wrong with me" and "I wish I could trade my brain for a normal brain." I said those things when I vent. Then a label was placed on me and I felt like a freak. I didn't think about it much then and then I started to think about it a lot in my teens and I was unhappy I had it and felt everything I did was AS. Then I asked myself was I happy before I got diagnosed and I said yes so I decided to go back to being happy and just be myself than trying to not be AS by thinking "Would a normal person do this?" "Would an aspie do this?" I felt I couldn't be myself when I did that. I also started to notice aspie symptoms in other kids and I felt normal. The more positive I thought, the more normal I felt. Now it feels like I don't have it and I am not that much effected but then I sometimes realize I do have it when a situation happens. My husband tells me I have it everyday and show it all the time because he lives with me. I am also laid back.


PS people in their twenties who are diagnosed also had a life experience but they just lived less than you. Same goes for kids too who also get diagnosed but they just have a less life experience. But I don't think it be fair to think their diagnoses isn't valid and their DX isn't good enough just because they weren't born in the 70's or under. That's superior behavior and people are going to think you are being superior when you act that way.



If you need support and advice, don't go questioning anyone's diagnoses here or you get taken less seriously.
And people who self diagnose, they don't want to have it either, it just explains everything, their struggles and difficulties but I do agree there are people who think they have it when they don't because they either have social anxiety or they are just quirky or they are just shy or they are introverted or they have a few traits so they think they do. I don't take the self diagnoses seriously either but sometimes it's obvious they have it just by the things they say about themselves.

I honestly don't know if it's being over diagnosed but it was diagnosed less in the 90's it seems like. Now it seems like it got diagnosed more in the 2000's. Some people believe it's a fad so I say I was diagnosed with it before it became a fad just so they take my diagnoses seriously.



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15 Mar 2010, 1:13 am

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Yes I looked up that album you talked about.

You are not the only one.



Let's be a bit clearer about your criteria spacecadetdave....not only do you want responders to have been diagnosed in the UK in middle age and to be middle aged, but you also want them to share your taste in music. Frankly I do not see what this has to do with anyone's ability to give you advice on legal and clinical issues....advice on music maybe (although I am guessing that perhaps you already have very firm opinions in that area, and so probably do not need or want any "musical" advice)...

You fought the board and who won?

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And I feel angry and frustrated.

Well you are not a complete failure in the communication arena, because this much you have communicated very clearly. It's probably quite understandable and reasonable frustration and anger, just unreasonable and incomprehensively directed (we did not give you "teh aspies")...

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Honestly I cannot understand why a feeling of superiority could be drawn form this condition but the whole AS thing seems to be a fad right now. I am confused why anyone would wish this on themselves.

Some people feel superior just because they are teenagers (note this does not apply to all teenagers). It's a developmental phase that is not particularly uncommon. Some people are probably modeling behaviors they have seen associated with the development and advocacy of rights for minorities (ie "gay pride"), and some probably have low self esteem and need to frame themselves (or their point of difference, and particularly a point of difference they have been made to feel "less" over for a long period of time) as a point of superiority. There might even be a residule group of people who genuninely reason that they are superior for whatever reason (perhaps the traits of AS happen to coincide with their particular values while "non-autistic" traits might entail things that they personally devalue).

Anyway you make it difficult to help because you will not give specifics about the information you want. If you have not checked out NAS (National Autistic Society) yet, you probably should (they might be listed in the resources from the page someone linked to earlier in the thread, but if not you should probably google "National Autistic Society UK"). If you cannot find the information you want amongst their resources and you email them about your informational needs, I expect they will do what they can to assist.



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15 Mar 2010, 4:08 am

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I wonder as you think Asperger's is a fad and overdiagnosed, why you think yours is an accurate diagnosis?

You actually seem far too emotional to me to be on the Autism spectrum.



Emotional? No. I'm afraid beyond anger and frustration or the occassional smile I don't really do that stuff. That's the problem.



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15 Mar 2010, 4:14 am

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Yes I looked up that album you talked about.

You are not the only one.



Let's be a bit clearer about your criteria spacecadetdave....not only do you want responders to have been diagnosed in the UK in middle age and to be middle aged, but you also want them to share your taste in music. Frankly I do not see what this has to do with anyone's ability to give you advice on legal and clinical issues....advice on music maybe (although I am guessing that perhaps you already have very firm opinions in that area, and so probably do not need or want any "musical" advice)...

You fought the board and who won?

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And I feel angry and frustrated.

Well you are not a complete failure in the communication arena, because this much you have communicated very clearly. It's probably quite understandable and reasonable frustration and anger, just unreasonable and incomprehensively directed (we did not give you "teh aspies")...

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Honestly I cannot understand why a feeling of superiority could be drawn form this condition but the whole AS thing seems to be a fad right now. I am confused why anyone would wish this on themselves.

Some people feel superior just because they are teenagers (note this does not apply to all teenagers). It's a developmental phase that is not particularly uncommon. Some people are probably modeling behaviors they have seen associated with the development and advocacy of rights for minorities (ie "gay pride"), and some probably have low self esteem and need to frame themselves (or their point of difference, and particularly a point of difference they have been made to feel "less" over for a long period of time) as a point of superiority. There might even be a residule group of people who genuninely reason that they are superior for whatever reason (perhaps the traits of AS happen to coincide with their particular values while "non-autistic" traits might entail things that they personally devalue).

Anyway you make it difficult to help because you will not give specifics about the information you want. If you have not checked out NAS (National Autistic Society) yet, you probably should (they might be listed in the resources from the page someone linked to earlier in the thread, but if not you should probably google "National Autistic Society UK"). If you cannot find the information you want amongst their resources and you email them about your informational needs, I expect they will do what they can to assist.



I cannot believe that anyone really thought that responders had to share my taste in music. You're kidding me right? That wasn't supposed to have been taken literaly....... But I forgive you for that because your points concerning pride are very thoughtful and very intelligently put.

Pride's a funny concept. If I made a chair out of wood, and it was a really good chair and I know I put a lot of care and hard work into making that chair then I may feel proud of that chair. But I've never been able to understand taking pride in something beyond your own control. I think the word has slowly changed meaning over the last 25 years and noone told me.



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15 Mar 2010, 4:25 am

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He sounds like a guy who is suffering low self esteem because he has AS and doesn't want to have it.


Spacecadetdave,


I never wished it on myself. I don't complain about having it because complaining about it won't make it go away. I also have anxiety and learning difficulties and I struggled in school and wouldn't have finished if I never got the help I needed. I don't complain about having that disability because it won't make it go away. I just live with it and not be upset about it. I don't like it but it's part of me so I have to live with it and accept it. I used to moan about having AS and then I stopped complaining because it wasn't doing me any good. I'd rather be happy than focus on my condition and let it ruin my life and worrying about what am I doing is aspie or not. I don't think people with cancer would complain about being sick or people who have diabetes or people in wheelchairs because what good would it do?

Were you unhappy before your DX or were you happy?
Before my DX I was happy and thought I was normal but I just had to try harder to be normal but I knew I was different. I probably knew deep down I had something because I used to say "What's wrong with me" and "I wish I could trade my brain for a normal brain." I said those things when I vent. Then a label was placed on me and I felt like a freak. I didn't think about it much then and then I started to think about it a lot in my teens and I was unhappy I had it and felt everything I did was AS. Then I asked myself was I happy before I got diagnosed and I said yes so I decided to go back to being happy and just be myself than trying to not be AS by thinking "Would a normal person do this?" "Would an aspie do this?" I felt I couldn't be myself when I did that. I also started to notice aspie symptoms in other kids and I felt normal. The more positive I thought, the more normal I felt. Now it feels like I don't have it and I am not that much effected but then I sometimes realize I do have it when a situation happens. My husband tells me I have it everyday and show it all the time because he lives with me. I am also laid back.


PS people in their twenties who are diagnosed also had a life experience but they just lived less than you. Same goes for kids too who also get diagnosed but they just have a less life experience. But I don't think it be fair to think their diagnoses isn't valid and their DX isn't good enough just because they weren't born in the 70's or under. That's superior behavior and people are going to think you are being superior when you act that way.



If you need support and advice, don't go questioning anyone's diagnoses here or you get taken less seriously.
And people who self diagnose, they don't want to have it either, it just explains everything, their struggles and difficulties but I do agree there are people who think they have it when they don't because they either have social anxiety or they are just quirky or they are just shy or they are introverted or they have a few traits so they think they do. I don't take the self diagnoses seriously either but sometimes it's obvious they have it just by the things they say about themselves.

I honestly don't know if it's being over diagnosed but it was diagnosed less in the 90's it seems like. Now it seems like it got diagnosed more in the 2000's. Some people believe it's a fad so I say I was diagnosed with it before it became a fad just so they take my diagnoses seriously.


As i've said elsewhere.... beyond anger and frustration I'm not feeling anything much. Maybe a sense of relief.

I think you're right about some people just looking for an explanation. Everyone at some point looks for a reason as to why they are what they are. Perhaps in the last decade the act of googling basic feelings of social inadequacy points people to AS. And everyone on the planet has an AS trait. I can see why the subject would be thought about and an "Is this me?" train of thought begin.

But please don;t expect me to like young people. That wouldn;t work. But draw comfort from the fact that usually I just want them to go away. This is progress. I no longer advocate hunting them with dogs. ;)



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15 Mar 2010, 10:54 am

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My kids are fine, but I suspect my dog is aspergers.

Sorry if some of my posts are on the terse side. I just hate young people. If you haven't got Electric Ladyland on vinyl then you're not a real person.


Hmm......... I am 53. Diagnosed with atypical autism in childhood. Deaf so I don't own music records.

I don't understand why you are suffering. Or why you want a group. Most autistic people do well in solitary pursuit.

This is the first time I have left the games area, or the getting to know you.

I am really surprised.



Like many aspies, he seems to have a huge superiority complex going on.


spacecadetdave wrote:
middle-aged late diagnosed UK diagnosed Asperger sufferers


Yep, good luck finding that one on Google. :lol:



Oh hell... I nearly wet my pants when I read this.

I'll try and explain this one again.


No. I do not feel superior. And the fact that you think Aspergers is a reason for someone to feel superior says more about you than it does about me. OK. Maybe not you, but a lot of people who post here. Personally I see this as a curse, a disability and a serious handicap to my life. This thing in my head has destroyed the lives of anyone who has cared about me over the last 4 decades. It is only recently that "it" has been given a name and I need some advice in several very specific areas.

If you view Aspergers as some sort of elitist club then feel free to do so but do not judge me by your own standards please.


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