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sartresue
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05 Dec 2008, 10:33 am

Absolute nothingness, absurdity? topic

And what did Jean-Paul Sartre have to say about immortality? He thought it was "shallow" to want to be personally immortal. Writers and their writings are not "needed" by anyone!! :lol:

Also, Sartre wrote that writers can be forgotten. So he is basically saying we can forget about immortality via written language. Sartre argued that writers should write to "close their world, reveal the truth and bring about change." Their truth.

Do I agree with Sartre? I think he is being realistic. Realistic and harsh. And free!!


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06 Dec 2008, 9:18 am

What we do in life echoes in eternity.



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06 Dec 2008, 7:19 pm

I have no desire for immortality and no fear of death. Fear of dying, sure, but no fear of death and/or utter annihilation. In the sense that I am - that we all are - part of the same organism, still surviving since the primordial gloop, I hope we, life on planet Earth, survive for a good while longer.

No, I don't wish for any eternity in Heaven. It would/will be nice to see people again, there's a load of apologies I need to make for starters, and I guess walking around with a halo and a valedictory "yes, s/he really was crazy all along, folks" certificate stamped by God would be kinda cool, but we're limited creatures, we can't learn or live or love indefinitely, not without becoming something other than human. To become immortal we would have to lose ourselves.


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07 Dec 2008, 5:25 am

The only immortality I'm interested in is the Methuselah Project.

Cross your fingers in hope of negligible senescence!


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07 Dec 2008, 8:10 am

Dasha wrote:
I did once read an article that those with out friends or close family died younger.


I think it's any form of community, and it's been suggested that this is also behind the findings that people involved in a formal religion tend to live longer. The real question is whether being part of a different type of community - such as a virtual community, like this one - which is becoming a more and more common way for people in general, NTs too, to interact in this day and age, is similarly beneficial.

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So I guess children can be like a blank canvas for an artist, or manuscript for a song writer. A medium on which to transcribe yourself, but never truly you as it retains it's own original characteristics underneath your additions.


sunshower....this is exactly what I think is very wrong with many people's way of seeing children. Ask someone who was raised to be 'just like mommy' by someone with a very different personality; profoundly damaging, and makes working out who you are and what you really want to do with your life a heck of a lot harder. Personality traits can, of course, rub off - for good or bad - but a parent who sets out to make a child into 'mini me' is doing it out of pure ego, and probably isn't mentally fit to have a child in the first place.

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To become immortal we would have to lose ourselves.


...is exactly what mystics have always pointed out. Most attempts at immortality of any kind (kids, achievements, prolonging physical life, even a individualized religious afterlife) are to do with the little limited self, the ego, wanting to survive. Lose the ego, which is what keeps us conscious of separation, and you become conscious of Something that has never born and never dies...which is what you really are underneath. Not easy, of course, but the only route to eternity which is guaranteed to work, for every last one of us. (Eventually!)


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