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25 Jun 2010, 1:14 pm

I don't even think Facebook will let me delete the poll. Damn Facebook.

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25 Jun 2010, 1:24 pm

I think you got away very lightly.

If you can't delete it, your best bet may be to pretend it was all just a joke and put an apology to anyone offended in the comments section.

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25 Jun 2010, 1:43 pm

Or explain why you posted it.

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25 Jun 2010, 2:22 pm

League Girl's idea is a lot better than Chantico's. There is no reason to say "I am just joking", and no reason why people will believe it too much either, instead bring up the issue of consensual incest saying that this is what your question refers, and bring up instances where it occurs, and then present the matter like that. There is little to no reason to lie.

Even further, if you can post links on the matter explaining why this is a question, then better.

You can use Romania's legalization.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/2 ... 77661.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510016,00.html
(which also usually ties in the fact that some European nations already tolerate some of this behavior)

You can use a brother and sister relationship in Germany:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 31,00.html

There is a woman who claims to have had an incestuous relationship with her brother and enjoyed it:
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life ... 332635.ece

Or you could reference a debate:
http://debatepedia.idebate.org/en/index ... ult_incest

A lot of things you can do to show that this is a question you were thinking about, and be sure to take this up to an intellectual plane.

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25 Jun 2010, 2:36 pm

Mysty wrote:

Well, in my view, abortion is wrong. So, "It's okay, because we can kill a defective baby" doesn't work for me.

It doesn't have to work for you, it has to work for people engaging in incest whose offspring is shown to exhibit defects.
Even so, the option of having the defective child and raising it is still available, though not desirable.

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25 Jun 2010, 2:47 pm

Lecks wrote:

Mysty wrote:

Well, in my view, abortion is wrong. So, "It's okay, because we can kill a defective baby" doesn't work for me.

Good job of missing the point. I mean your argument that incest is okay because we can kill the defective babies doesn't work. It's a bad argument, because, in the opinion of many, including me, killing babies is wrong, even if those babies aren't born yet.

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25 Jun 2010, 2:50 pm

I believe it takes a great deal of incestuous reproduction to cause defects. And I think it has to be repeatedly between very close family members.

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25 Jun 2010, 3:18 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

You can use a brother and sister relationship in Germany:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 31,00.html

Wow, that is an intriguing case.

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25 Jun 2010, 3:19 pm

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I believe it takes a great deal of incestuous reproduction to cause defects. And I think it has to be repeatedly between very close family members.

That I agree, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise with my response to a different argument against incest laws.

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25 Jun 2010, 3:34 pm

Mysty wrote:

Lecks wrote:

Mysty wrote:

Well, in my view, abortion is wrong. So, "It's okay, because we can kill a defective baby" doesn't work for me.

I call them fetuses, or also "big lumps of cells living inside of another person's body".

I dunno, I don't seem to get the anti-abortion side too well, partially because I don't think that conception is even a meaningful mark of personhood, and I kind of doubt that a meaningful mark comes until rather late anyway, as a heart beat or even a mild amount of brain function don't represent a solid ability to feel pain or anything like that.

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25 Jun 2010, 3:38 pm

happymusic wrote:

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

You can use a brother and sister relationship in Germany:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 31,00.html

Wow, that is an intriguing case.

There are others, but I couldn't find them through a Google search when I looked.

Now, I found another case. One of a couple in Wisconsin in a similar situation as the German couple.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editor ... t_consent/

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25 Jun 2010, 3:51 pm

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Now, I found another case. One of a couple in Wisconsin in a similar situation as the German couple.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editor ... t_consent/

Wow. How sad. I can't imagine going to a maximum security prison for having had consensual sex. The author makes a good point about consenting adults and if the sex had been between two men.

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25 Jun 2010, 4:25 pm

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If the poll was posted in a debating forum, then yes, I would go for Leaguegirl's advice too, but this is facebook. It's a social site, and I could be wrong, but people aren't going to be interested in what they see as 'excuses' for a subject that many find repulsive on a gut level. I still think the simplest way for people to move on and forget would be to just pretend it was an immature joke that backfired. Or you could just ignore the whole thing and wait for it to blow over.

If the OP is still interested in creating a poll on the subject, then perhaps he could create a new one that is worded so as not to cause confusion. It would be tough, but if he explained it well he may avoid similar responses. I had a look at the poll, and it could easily be perceived to be the work of a troll and not someone looking for an intelligent debate.

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25 Jun 2010, 4:55 pm

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I know it is facebook, and frankly, I doubt that most people will really examine the topic at any depth. The issue is that I doubt many will believe it is a joke either, as it just isn't funny at all.

I doubt that this will end up having serious repercussions for our OP in the future either way (I doubt that employers will remember the name unless he applies for their job in the next month or so) and so I see no reason to argue it either way. As it stands, I think the best way is to play it as serious without trying to start an actual debate, posting a news article of some form really provides a context quite well without even taking a side. (and our OP doesn't HAVE TO take a side, which can perhaps cause people to instead feel more disgusted about Romania than the OP)

That being said, I actually engage in a number of intelligent conversations over facebook, but mostly from just finding the right social circles.

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25 Jun 2010, 6:26 pm

Mysty wrote:

I wanted to avoid bringing up abortion and derailing the thread, so I didn't adress it.

Simply because the option isn't universally accepted doesn't make it bad. Also, it's called a fetus, I wouldn't so easily suggest killing a baby.

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25 Jun 2010, 6:42 pm

Mysty wrote:

Well, in my view, abortion is wrong. So, "It's okay, because we can kill a defective baby" doesn't work for me.

For that reason, abortion works very well for me, but not to justify incest.

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