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07 Feb 2015, 1:05 pm

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Put another way-- Aw, hell, Fnord. Pull out the cards and give them the affirmation, the validation, and the sounding post they're looking for. And then, just because decent people like to feel that they're giving something back, let them take you out to dinner, or help figure out what's wrong with your vehicle, or remember to use them as a sounding post sometime when you're stuck. Don't take something they can't afford to spend (time, money, energy, whatever). And don't invest your time and energy in someone who asks, and asks, and asks, and doesn't think or make any attempt to replace their divot.
As I said, I've given up playing the psychic con. Now I use that experience to debunk claims of psychic ability, thus giving back to the community that which I once took away - faith in reality.


It sounds like you're saying you deliberately took away many vulnerable people's belief in reality for your own selfish gain, and knew what you were doing.

It's nice to hear you express your thought of "giving back to the community" but it would mean more to hear how you attempted to redress the wrongs you did to the individual vulnerable people you admit you preyed on and harmed. You may not have been capable of this then, but you are now. Step up.



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07 Feb 2015, 1:30 pm

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Put another way-- Aw, hell, Fnord. Pull out the cards and give them the affirmation, the validation, and the sounding post they're looking for. And then, just because decent people like to feel that they're giving something back, let them take you out to dinner, or help figure out what's wrong with your vehicle, or remember to use them as a sounding post sometime when you're stuck. Don't take something they can't afford to spend (time, money, energy, whatever). And don't invest your time and energy in someone who asks, and asks, and asks, and doesn't think or make any attempt to replace their divot.
As I said, I've given up playing the psychic con. Now I use that experience to debunk claims of psychic ability, thus giving back to the community that which I once took away - faith in reality.
It sounds like you're saying you deliberately took away many vulnerable people's belief in reality for your own selfish gain, and knew what you were doing.
That's exactly what I'm saying. I knew it was a con then, and I went ahead and did it anyway.

The funny part of it is that I did not have to go looking for people to con, they came to me!. It was perfectly legal, too; the place I worked at even had a sign that said, "For entertainment purposes only", right next to the business license. Nobody cared. They only wanted to have their hopes confirmed, their fears abolished, and to be told that they could do things to change their lives for the better. And at $20 for 30 minutes, it was easy enough to put $100 in my pocket by lunchtime (the proprietor charged me only 10%).

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It's nice to hear you express your thought of "giving back to the community" but it would mean more to hear how you attempted to redress the wrongs you did to the individual vulnerable people you admit you preyed on and harmed. You may not have been capable of this then, but you are now. Step up.
First, it's impossible. I knew those people only by their first names, and have forgotten their names in the 25+ years since.

Second, Besides, they came to me, knowing full well that I was not psychic, because I told them so at the beginning of each reading, I owe them nothing. They got what they paid for, and I got paid. Quid pro quo, and all that.

(Strange how me denying psychic ability seems to only reinforce the belief in others that I am psychic.)

Third, you are not the arbiter of fairness and justice, so I don't have to "Step up" just because you tell me.

Finally, there are resources literally titled "How To Be A Psychic". I suggest that you 'Google' them and check them out.


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07 Feb 2015, 1:32 pm

Faith in reality is good - however IMO we don't fully know what reality actually is - but "see through a glass darkly" and it is not a question of whether we believe or disbelieve in this or that, we don't know enough of the total picture yet to make these ultra-certain judgments about what reality is. You can be a hardliner one way of the other - saying "I'm a realist" or "I'm a believer" though I stand in neither camp, I just look back on my life and say "I am astonished at inexplicable events that happened in my life". I am curious and open to possiblity that one day we may be more informed about the nature of life and experience. I have good reasons to think there are huge gaps in our understanding as humans alive now.



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07 Feb 2015, 2:19 pm

There are events in my past that I have not been able to explain what caused them or why they happened. One-shot coincidences happen, there is no doubt of that; but believing that there is some unmeasurable force or supernatural being behind every coincidence is called "Magical Thinking", and I don't believe in 'magic' any more.

At least, not since I learned how to read.


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07 Feb 2015, 2:23 pm

I think I have a fairly good understanding of magical thinking. To think that it explains everything that can't be otherwise explained is also a form of magical thinking, in a way..



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10 Feb 2015, 1:28 pm

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Put another way-- Aw, hell, Fnord. Pull out the cards and give them the affirmation, the validation, and the sounding post they're looking for. And then, just because decent people like to feel that they're giving something back, let them take you out to dinner, or help figure out what's wrong with your vehicle, or remember to use them as a sounding post sometime when you're stuck. Don't take something they can't afford to spend (time, money, energy, whatever). And don't invest your time and energy in someone who asks, and asks, and asks, and doesn't think or make any attempt to replace their divot.
As I said, I've given up playing the psychic con. Now I use that experience to debunk claims of psychic ability, thus giving back to the community that which I once took away - faith in reality.
It sounds like you're saying you deliberately took away many vulnerable people's belief in reality for your own selfish gain, and knew what you were doing.
That's exactly what I'm saying. I knew it was a con then, and I went ahead and did it anyway.

The funny part of it is that I did not have to go looking for people to con, they came to me!. It was perfectly legal, too; the place I worked at even had a sign that said, "For entertainment purposes only", right next to the business license. Nobody cared. They only wanted to have their hopes confirmed, their fears abolished, and to be told that they could do things to change their lives for the better. And at $20 for 30 minutes, it was easy enough to put $100 in my pocket by lunchtime (the proprietor charged me only 10%).

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It's nice to hear you express your thought of "giving back to the community" but it would mean more to hear how you attempted to redress the wrongs you did to the individual vulnerable people you admit you preyed on and harmed. You may not have been capable of this then, but you are now. Step up.
First, it's impossible. I knew those people only by their first names, and have forgotten their names in the 25+ years since.

Second, Besides, they came to me, knowing full well that I was not psychic, because I told them so at the beginning of each reading, I owe them nothing. They got what they paid for, and I got paid. Quid pro quo, and all that.

(Strange how me denying psychic ability seems to only reinforce the belief in others that I am psychic.)

Third, you are not the arbiter of fairness and justice, so I don't have to "Step up" just because you tell me.

Finally, there are resources literally titled "How To Be A Psychic". I suggest that you 'Google' them and check them out.


Like others with a "con" mind, you change like a chameleon. First you say you conned people, then you say you didn't, because they were already conned into their false belief before you ever met them: " they came to me.... "

Then you change your story back again and say (in what appears to be 'self aggrandizement): "...thus giving back to the community that which I once took away - faith in reality" expecting readers to believe your dissatisfaction with life has lead you to a higher purpose: attacking others which you (an admitted con artist) are suspicious of. :D

But of the individuals involved: "I owe them nothing."

And now you say: " Third, you are not the arbiter of fairness and justice, so I don't have to "Step up" just because you tell me." And, indeed, you do not....it wasn't a command by God but only meant as a suggestion by a well meaning and fallible person, such as yourself. But you may not consider yourself fallible, but as perfect and infallible as a God yourself, looking down on others?

Poor Fnord. You've layed out your (what seems like) total contempt for others (employers, fellow employees, etc.) in other posts. Are they all imperfect whilst only Fnord (looking down from above) is righteous, friendly, courteous, kind...etc...? Just doesn't sound that way to me....but your life experiences make you view others this way and justify a "con", or anything else your unconscious forces you to do.

"Step up" is a suggestion you step back, learn to access yourself truthfully, without unconscious control, and perhaps step up to another level of your mind-life....which I believe you're capable of, hence my suggestion; you're doing great. :D

And you say: "Finally, there are resources literally titled "How To Be A Psychic"...... :D :D A while back (20-25 years), my daughter (about your age) used her Tarot abilities to "read" in Santa Cruz, and for similar reasons as yourself and in similar ways. But you said you conned your customers (which you corrected later) and this seems somehow different from being an honest and advertised "medium" causing my comments. Please forgive me.

But if you were to be honest with me/us you'd also answer the questions posed by me concerning why you attacked me/"my statement" about an incident I'd described (before you changed the subject to yourself). Why not do that now, or perhaps, now you've admitted you were no medium at all, you'd like to apologize for your hasty comments?



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10 Feb 2015, 5:24 pm

Zen, Fnord is like he is because he has common sense and is practical. I may strongly disagree with some of his opinions, but I respect the fact that he uses logic to come to the viewpoints that he has. He doesn't dance around the facts worrying about whether fact may or may not upset someone else. I don't see him purposely offending someone who wasn't a douchebag to him, but I think he feels that people shouldn't be offended over facts.

I'll fight with him about an issue tooth and nail, expect to get that right back from him, but still respect and like the man because of his common sense. He can be abrasive, but I've also seen him be very nice and caring towards people here. If I had a serious problem and wanted actual advice about it rather than just somebody to pity me and make me feel better about the whole thing, I'd go to Fnord about it. And I have, and I've gotten good, workable advice, that I more often than not used.

If common sense offends you, ask yourself why.


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10 Feb 2015, 5:31 pm

http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-soci ... uquist-phd

A paper by a Harvard graduate, very impressive example of some fresh thinking...



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10 Feb 2015, 9:51 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
Zen, Fnord is like he is because he has common sense and is practical. I may strongly disagree with some of his opinions, but I respect the fact that he uses logic to come to the viewpoints that he has. He doesn't dance around the facts worrying about whether fact may or may not upset someone else. I don't see him purposely offending someone who wasn't a douchebag to him, but I think he feels that people shouldn't be offended over facts.
Have you been reading my personnel file? Those are the kinds of things my employer has been saying for the last 20+ years!

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I'll fight with him about an issue tooth and nail, expect to get that right back from him, but still respect and like the man because of his common sense. He can be abrasive, but I've also seen him be very nice and caring towards people here. If I had a serious problem and wanted actual advice about it rather than just somebody to pity me and make me feel better about the whole thing, I'd go to Fnord about it. And I have, and I've gotten good, workable advice, that I more often than not used.
Aww ... shucks, ma'am! :oops:

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If common sense offends you, ask yourself why.
When people can not refute the facts I present, and then make disparaging remarks and ad hominem attacks against me instead, then it is merely confirmation that (1) I am right, and (2) my attackers know it.

Thanks!


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10 Feb 2015, 10:08 pm

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Zen, Fnord is like he is because he has common sense and is practical. I may strongly disagree with some of his opinions, but I respect the fact that he uses logic to come to the viewpoints that he has. He doesn't dance around the facts worrying about whether fact may or may not upset someone else. I don't see him purposely offending someone who wasn't a douchebag to him, but I think he feels that people shouldn't be offended over facts.
Have you been reading my personnel file? Those are the kinds of things my employer has been saying for the last 20+ years!

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I'll fight with him about an issue tooth and nail, expect to get that right back from him, but still respect and like the man because of his common sense. He can be abrasive, but I've also seen him be very nice and caring towards people here. If I had a serious problem and wanted actual advice about it rather than just somebody to pity me and make me feel better about the whole thing, I'd go to Fnord about it. And I have, and I've gotten good, workable advice, that I more often than not used.
Aww ... shucks, ma'am! :oops: Back atcha!

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If common sense offends you, ask yourself why.
When people can not refute the facts I present, and make disparaging remarks and ad hominem attacks against me instead, then it is merely confirmation that (1) I am right, and (2) my attacker knows it.

Thanks!


You're very welcome, it's all true. And your boss obviously sees valuable qualities like that in you, and you know as well as I do that they are important to success in the workplace and in life.

Also, I'm the hoodoo woman, of course I know stuff. :-)

I think a lot of people on here have a problem with you because like me, you tell them that they should change some things and more than likely will have to change some things about themselves to get what they want out of life. Everybody has to do that though, not just aspies. You and I did it and we succeeded. Not everybody can do it so many people think it's not fair for you or me to say that people have to do certain things in order to succeed. I'm sure that if neither of us had worked on ourselves we certainly wouldn't have our spouses, and wouldn't be in the situations we are in today.

Common sense is very important in life because that is what helps you make good decisions or at least helps you recognize the bad decisions as what they are when you make them so you are prepared for the fallout from them.

Also, facts do offend people because most people want to go by what their emotions and feelings tell them instead of facts. Take the self diagnosed vs really diagnosed argument for example. Logic tells us that you need more than just subjective information to make a diagnosis and internet tests rely only on subjective information. Just because someone takes a test online and scores in a certain range does not mean they have an AS diagnosis. It means that the internet test said they probably have it. People want to be able to diagnose themselves with it because after reading about it they feel that it describes them, but many other things could also describe them as well. They may have something completely different and it would take a professional to figure that out. So, when you say that a self diagnosis doesn't count they get their feelings hurt because they feel they should be able to diagnose themselves. They are going by feelings and you are going by facts. You aren't saying that they aren't smart or don't have a right to their opinion or even that they can't go around telling people they have AS. You are simply telling them that a self diagnosis is not an actual diagnosis, which is true.

People get offended over logic and common sense because they usually fly in the face of feelings and emotions that they want to be fact.


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12 Feb 2015, 4:18 am

Vampire s**t. That's all I have to say.



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12 Feb 2015, 1:03 pm

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*snip as irrelevant*

If common sense offends you, ask yourself why.


Hi Ollie. I've admired your bluntness from afar. But bad logic doesn't equate with being right... do you understand? I agree with much Fnord has to say but not with his methodology, especially when he is wrong.

It comes down to this last statement in my post, just before your post (did you read it?):

"But if you were to be honest with me/us you'd also answer the questions posed by me concerning why you attacked me/"my statement" about an incident I'd described (before you changed the subject to yourself). Why not do that now, or perhaps, now you've admitted you were no medium at all, you'd like to apologize for your hasty comments?"

I like to think courteous people answer such questions, especially after they've been an insulting ass....but no brave and honest Fnord is to be found...he must have scuttled back down his dark hole.

If common courtesy, fair play, and decency offends you, ask yourself why.

P.S. When you see Fnord you see Poo Bear (sp?) while I see Sméagol.



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12 Feb 2015, 1:06 pm

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Hi,

I am wondering if anyone here would like to share their views, opinions and/ or experiences with the astral plane and possibly any psychic and/ or empathic tendencies that you may have.

I wonder whether asd is related to these things.

I am an empath, in some ways psychic (to differentiate from not being so in all ways) and I feel that I am very connected with the subconscious realm of both myself and others.

I have also been diagnosed with asd and have read several articles that claim that the two are linked.
It would make sense to me too, what with the sensitivities and all.

Thanks.


People who are on the spectrum have the same rates of having psychic abilities as those who are not on the spectrum. There is no difference at all. The psychic ability rate of both groups is zero.



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12 Feb 2015, 1:26 pm

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If common sense offends you, ask yourself why.
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When people can not refute the facts I present, and then make disparaging remarks and ad hominem attacks against me instead, then it is merely confirmation that (1) I am right, and (2) my attackers know it.

Thanks!


Then answer my last question to you, oh king of "disparaging remarks and ad hominem attacks"....:

"But if you were to be honest with me/us you'd also answer the questions posed by me concerning why you attacked me/"my statement" about an incident I'd described (before you changed the subject to yourself). Why not do that now, or perhaps, now you've admitted you were no medium at all, you'd like to apologize for your hasty comments?"

......unless you concede you were NOT right, and instead only an insulting ass without the courage to admit when he's wrong or doesn't understand what he's talking about.

Soooooo? Coward or "stand up guy" which is it?

(Personally I think you'll choose "coward" by changing the subject to yourself, or running away. I don't think you have the courage at this time in your life to face your truths.)



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12 Feb 2015, 1:38 pm

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If common sense offends you, ask yourself why.
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When people can not refute the facts I present, and then make disparaging remarks and ad hominem attacks against me instead, then it is merely confirmation that (1) I am right, and (2) my attackers know it. Thanks!
Then answer my last question to you, oh king of "disparaging remarks and ad hominem attacks"....: "But if you were to be honest with me/us you'd also answer the questions posed by me concerning why you attacked me/"my statement" about an incident I'd described (before you changed the subject to yourself). Why not do that now, or perhaps, now you've admitted you were no medium at all, you'd like to apologize for your hasty comments?" .....unless you concede you were NOT right, and instead only an insulting ass without the courage to admit when he's wrong or doesn't understand what he's talking about. Soooooo? Coward or "stand up guy" which is it? (Personally I think you'll choose "coward" by changing the subject to yourself, or running away. I don't think you have the courage at this time in your life to face your truths.)
Since you seem to be trolling to incite a flame war, you do not deserve anything further from me. Have a nice day.


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ZenDen wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
If common sense offends you, ask yourself why.
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When people can not refute the facts I present, and then make disparaging remarks and ad hominem attacks against me instead, then it is merely confirmation that (1) I am right, and (2) my attackers know it.

Thanks!


Then answer my last question to you, oh king of "disparaging remarks and ad hominem attacks"....:

"But if you were to be honest with me/us you'd also answer the questions posed by me concerning why you attacked me/"my statement" about an incident I'd described (before you changed the subject to yourself). Why not do that now, or perhaps, now you've admitted you were no medium at all, you'd like to apologize for your hasty comments?"

......unless you concede you were NOT right, and instead only an insulting ass without the courage to admit when he's wrong or doesn't understand what he's talking about.

Soooooo? Coward or "stand up guy" which is it?

(Personally I think you'll choose "coward" by changing the subject to yourself, or running away. I don't think you have the courage at this time in your life to face your truths.)


Can we please tone it down a bit?