My son's new girlfriend

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Before Christianity they had Judaism, so they were not living before Judeo-Christian religion. Its true that Jews were just a small minority. But, if you take Biblical point of view, then everyone descended from the three sons of Noah so, in principle, they had means of getting it passed down to them. The issue is that some people along the line chose to stray, and that's why you have things like prostitution being glorified in some cultures. But, even so, they have some elements still passed down to them. Atheists like to point this out in order to make a claim that Judeo-Christianity just stole things from other religions. Well, you can look at the same thing and make the opposite claim: that maybe we all had a common ancestor, just like Judeo-Christian Bible teaches.

Before Christianity there was Judaism on a tiny plot of unattractive real estate in the present-day Middle East. What of the millions living in Europe, Africa, South and East Asia and the Americas? They lived according to other beliefs, and still do. They didn't "stray" from Judaism; they never knew or cared about it.

They might have been living all over the world, but they were still descended from Noah. So they were supposed to inherit Judaism from whatever line that went from Noah to them. But, as some people along their ancestral line were passing only some things to children and not other things, some of the information was getting lost, so thats how they strayed.

You're aware that's a myth and objectively not true, right?

The majority of people alive are not descended from Noah, if they were genetics would support this idea like how it supports the idea of a Y chromosomal Aaron.

It's not necessarily financial fraud on their part, although it looks like it. A lot of women will take advantage of aspies for financial support. Doesn't sound like your sound is competent if he fell for that scheme, but aspies will give in if pressed for money. Usually, asking for money is a deal breaker in a new relationship, but not necessarily. I guess they have him cosign on the loan so that they can withdraw the money, rather than have him take out the loan and give the money to them? Don't their credit has to be OK to be given a loan even with a cosigner?

Aaron is in the Bible too.

In any case, to answer your question, I don't know much about genetics but here is a logical argument that I see as a mathematician. If you have a "common marker" among subset of people, it would be obvious its a common marker. But if you have "common marker" among all people, then how would you separate the "common marker" from any other property of genes you just take for granted? Surely there are some commonalities between human DNA. For all you know, any one of the common DNA traits that we all take for granted might be a "common marker" of Noah.

If you are talking about regular NT girl with an aspie, I would assume it would normally be like choosing expensive restaurant and having the guy pay for it. I don't think they would do something as blatant as this girl did.

In case of this particular girl, this is an entirely different story altogether. I don't think him being an aspie played any role as far as her ultimate plan is concerned. I think she was just looking to use anyone, aspie or not. And aspie was just the one who fell for it. Think of email scams. They don't investigate which email addresses belong to aspies. They just mass mail people and wait for whoever will fall for it.

This Noah ?
https://youtu.be/j_BzWUuZN5w
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XLr5vl-n0Bo&t=41s

Sorry, I can't have a discussion with someone who disregards science and reason in favor of the folktales of of obscure desert tribes.

!	magz wrote:
	Please, go back to the topic. If you wish, I can create a split topic in PPR and move the posts discussing religion there.

How are you doing today, RightGalaxy?

Yes, I see religion is not involved in your life.

Therefore, not having a religious bias against prostitution, one should have given the girl a chance until proven otherwise.
You hated her before she even asked for help.
Multiple aspie men on this website have good relationships with prostitutes.

If your son can’t manage money then perhaps someone can start his further education there.

Thats big news to me. First I learned something new two weeks ago when I saw on this thread that so many people approve of prostitution. And now I just learned something else new: that multiple aspie men actually have relationship with prostitutes! Maybe that's why they rushed to defend it, because they know others on this board that are engaged in this kinds of relationships? That's an honest question by the way: I don't know most people who post here.

So what do those relationships typically involve? Is it that they are the regular clients so they pay for sex just like everyone else, but do so regularly? Or are they basically getting free service with no pay? As in they are the only people that have sex with a prostitute for free while everyone else has to pay?

In either case, I don't see any point in it. Its clearly not love. If the prostitute was in love she wouldn't be seeing all those other men.

And besides, one obvious reason why so many men on this board, specifically, would have relationsihip with a prostitute is because, due to Asperger, nobody likes them, except for said prostututes. But why such a coincidence that the woman that is easy to impress just happened to be a prostitute? Maybe its because she is the only woman who doesn't "have" to be impressed, since she is used to having sex with anyone and everyone? But then again, so what's the point of being with her anyway?

I have nothing against aspies, I mean I am aspie myself. What I am trying to say, though, is that when I look for a relationship my main goal is self validation. That is one secular reason why I would never date a prostitute: that would not give me the self validation that I need. So I don't get why would anyone else do that.

I have had good and bad experiences, when seeing sex workers.
Many more good than bad.

Some of the bad interactions were due to my autistic naivete.
You have to look for the signs that say they rather not, even if it is part of their job requirement.

These days, "vetting" usually happens through cameras in the waiting room.

BTW, when I say "these days", I haven't been to an establishment for over 15 years, or more.

Up until recently, I had been seeing a sex worker, exclusively, on and off, for about 10 years.
She needed emotional support, and I was happy to give it.
No sexual intercourse was involved.
Not my thing.

No offence intended, but your position sounds rather naive.
I have no intention of ever falling in *romantic* luv, ever again, but yes, I still do enjoy being with a woman.

Romantic luv has been designed, by evolution, for the procreation process.
Producing a child is one of my worst nightmares, but I still enjoy the company.

No, QFT, you don't have to be in luv with a person, to be intimate.



I had no social skills and had major sexual hangups. Seeing sex workers, and one in particular, helped me to overcome these problems.
I don't know why you have a problem with that, unless you are using a man-made religious context.
I'm an atheist, so religious dogma/indoctrination has no influence on me.



So you are secular?
That surprises me.

You don't need others to self-validate you.
I have an internal locus of identity, which is self-validation that is always with me and not dependant on others.



I strongly think it is a big mistake to depend on others for your self-esteem.

That would be one noble reason to visit a prostitute. Try to save her from having sex. I mean she isn't after sex, she is after income. So if she can get the income she is looking for without sex, she would only be happy, *and* you would have saved her!

But still, I don't see any good reason why would *you* benefit from this. Like I said, you won't get any validation out of it. This would be a strictly an altruistic deed. Since I haven't heard of anyone visiting a prostitute for altruistic motive, that's why I don't see any reason why they do it at all. I mean even in your case you didn't say that saving her from sex was actually your goal when you visited her. Yes it happened, but it wasn't your goal. So whatever your actual goal happened to be, I don't understand it.

And by the way I am not visiting prostitutes for altruistic motives either. I admit I am selfish, LOL. But then again I am not visiting them altogether.

A company of a woman without love would be a friendship. But in case of prostitution its not even a friendship, in case of prostitution you are just her client.

As far as female friendship I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, I have to accept the fact that she doesn't see me as datable, which hurts my ego. But on the other hand, I get to interact with a female that genuinely cares about me, which is something I need. So I guess in the context when there is some other reason why a woman can't date me besides my Asperger, I welcome female friendship. But if it feels like she won't date me because of my Asperger or one of the things I take personally, then I don't like it.

But in any case, prostitution is not friendship so none of it applies there. Whatever positives the friendship carries, simply don't apply to prostitution.



I see you purposely used the word evolution to trigger me



To me, producing a child is one of the ultimate things I need due to self validation. Because you see, if you don't produce a child then your genes die out. So then its like a eugenics program where they decided to eliminate your genes because, as an aspie, your genes are undesirable. Do you really want to accept it? If not, then you should have children.



Prostitution is not really a company. You are just your client. She doesn't care about you as a person. She just wants your pay.



Well, you need *either* love *or* friendship in order for it to count. With prostitution you don't have either.



Aren't there other ways to learn social skills? Like, instead of paying that money to a prostitute, pay it to speech therapist for example.

As far as sexual hangups, I just don't see why it is so important. If you were to say that girls don't like you because of this and you want to win their love, then I can see it as sort of a means to an end. But since you said you just gave up on girls (the other thing I disagree with) then whats even the point?



I became Christian when I was 22. Before then I was an atheist. But I was against abortion and against prostitution all my life. So to me its not even tied to religion. Although I can see how religion can further confirm it.



I never said I am secular. I said "from secular point of view". These are two completely different things. The phrase "from secular point of view" means that I don't utilize my Christian beliefs in this particular argument. I still have the Christian beliefs I just don't utilize them. Just like, by the same token, I also don't utilize what I know about quantum field theory. I still know quantum field theory I am just not utilizing it. So basically the statement "I am going to go to the store to buy such and such" is a secular statement. But I can still make that statement while being a Christian. Because that statement doesn't deny Christianity, it just doesn't touch upon it. And that is precisely what I mean when I say "secular statement" or "from secular point of view". As a Christian I can still make some argument that doesn't mention Christianity, so that argument is secular but I am still a Christian.



But doesn't your self esteem get hurt when you see people being close to each other (whether friendship or intimate) and you see yourself missing out?