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25 Jun 2010, 6:58 pm

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If the poll was posted in a debating forum, then yes, I would go for Leaguegirl's advice too, but this is facebook. It's a social site, and I could be wrong, but people aren't going to be interested in what they see as 'excuses' for a subject that many find repulsive on a gut level. I still think the simplest way for people to move on and forget would be to just pretend it was an immature joke that backfired. Or you could just ignore the whole thing and wait for it to blow over.

If the OP is still interested in creating a poll on the subject, then perhaps he could create a new one that is worded so as not to cause confusion. It would be tough, but if he explained it well he may avoid similar responses. I had a look at the poll, and it could easily be perceived to be the work of a troll and not someone looking for an intelligent debate.

I know it is facebook, and frankly, I doubt that most people will really examine the topic at any depth. The issue is that I doubt many will believe it is a joke either, as it just isn't funny at all.


I agree, it's not funny and no one will believe it, but it's a classic get-out card. People who complain have 'no sense of humour' (general internet protocol) so most just roll their eyes and move on. By acting serious about the issue, the OP is likely to attract more vehemous responses.

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I doubt that this will end up having serious repercussions for our OP in the future either way (I doubt that employers will remember the name unless he applies for their job in the next month


I hope not, but I have heard tales of employers scouring the internet for dirt on the employees. A poll like this would be considered a black mark if discovered. That said, it's likely they won't bother going that far.



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25 Jun 2010, 7:15 pm

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I agree, it's not funny and no one will believe it, but it's a classic get-out card. People who complain have 'no sense of humour' (general internet protocol) so most just roll their eyes and move on. By acting serious about the issue, the OP is likely to attract more vehemous responses.

Pfeh, I hate get-out cards. They disgust me, as do most dishonesties. I am not even saying it is a wrong move though on those grounds. The problem I see is that it is not believable, and that a news story will get people distracted by the news story. The OP can get away with a lot if an external thing can be blamed for instilling the idea. Instead of the f**king sick OP, it is now the f**king sick Romanians or f**king sick Germans. If we want to shift blame though, I would probably sooner cite a news article, but citing anything external will help shift the issue. Faking a joke probably won't help though.

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I hope not, but I have heard tales of employers scouring the internet for dirt on the employees. A poll like this would be considered a black mark if discovered. That said, it's likely they won't bother going that far.

Well, yes, they do, but the problem is that they usually can't get too far into things that are out of sight. A poll like this would be considered a black mark regardless of whether he said it was a joke or not, but the issue is that even if he applied for a job now, unless one of his employers was one of the people who had already seen the poll, it is still unlikely they'd find it. I mean, a real better measure is just what the top google hits for a person happens to be.



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25 Jun 2010, 10:56 pm

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Now, I found another case. One of a couple in Wisconsin in a similar situation as the German couple.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editor ... t_consent/


Wow. How sad. I can't imagine going to a maximum security prison for having had consensual sex. The author makes a good point about consenting adults and if the sex had been between two men.


I had not idea incest was illegal. I knew it's illegal for them to marry but having sex, I didn't know that.



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25 Jun 2010, 11:09 pm

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Good job of missing the point. I mean your argument that incest is okay because we can kill the defective babies doesn't work. It's a bad argument, because, in the opinion of many, including me, killing babies is wrong, even if those babies aren't born yet.

I wanted to avoid bringing up abortion and derailing the thread, so I didn't adress it.

Simply because the option isn't universally accepted doesn't make it bad. Also, it's called a fetus, I wouldn't so easily suggest killing a baby.


You wanted to avoid bringing up abortion? You'd already done so, and that was what I was replying to. If you didn't want to bring it up, you should have not brought it up in the first place. Or, if you didn't want to bring it up in a reply, don't reply to a post specifically replying to your mention of abortion.


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26 Jun 2010, 12:01 am

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I can understand the emotional factor that could come into play, but I don't see how calling me a "sick f**k" would be necessary, especially considering you don't even know how I answered the poll. All I asked was whether or not people thought incest should be legal, and of course I'd encourage debating, but insulting me is where I draw the line.


I think it may have happened because the person who insulted you was thinking, "Why would they ask this kind of question unless they had a sick mind?" I'm not suggesting you have a sick mind, just that the fact the question was even asked could be misconstrued. Some questions are rhetorical in nature (have obvious answers). The obvious answer to your poll question would be "No." To answer anything different from "No" would indicate deviant behavior on the part of the poll respondent. Some people would try to read between the lines and think you were looking for someone to "agree" with you that No might not be the best answer. A better poll question might have been something like: "Should child molesters and incestuous parents get the death penalty?"

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26 Jun 2010, 6:17 pm

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You wanted to avoid bringing up abortion? You'd already done so, and that was what I was replying to. If you didn't want to bring it up, you should have not brought it up in the first place. Or, if you didn't want to bring it up in a reply, don't reply to a post specifically replying to your mention of abortion.

Fine, fine. You win the thread.



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27 Jun 2010, 8:52 am

Raising a controversial topic doesn't make you a sick f*ck but IDK why you would really make that poll. People probably thought you were just trying to be outrageous. Does anyone think it should be legal? If they do, do we really need to know about it? lol.

It was kind of a weird question to ask.



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27 Jun 2010, 8:22 pm

Delete it. Forget you ever even asked.



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28 Jun 2010, 12:30 pm

I'm glad, Descartes, you were able to get a helpful discussion here.

I tend to be of the "explain what you wanted from the poll" type, since you apparently cannot delete it.

I found the articles on the previous page really interesting. There isn't enough information about the US couple, but I think the German couple kind of demonstrates why the laws exist - the impairment in the sister that makes her vulnerable (how does anyone really know if she is a fully consenting adult? That influence started at a vulnerable age and time), and the cost to society of passing that on to the kids. Still, the whole situation is sad, and you have to wonder if jail is the right answer, even if you agree the pair need to be forced apart. None of which fits into a poll, but you did get me thinking about it.


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