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02 Jan 2017, 3:45 pm

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The definition of critical thinking is to go in depth into a topic to bring out conclusions, ideas and answers. Now that in is what a political discussion and debate is. It is two people comparing ideas and discussing them to figure out which points are more strong and valid.

Critical thinking is not debate. Critical thinking is self-reflexive; awareness of the process of thinking and challenging not only others' views, but one's own.



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02 Jan 2017, 3:48 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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The definition of critical thinking is to go in depth into a topic to bring out conclusions, ideas and answers. Now that in is what a political discussion and debate is. It is two people comparing ideas and discussing them to figure out which points are more strong and valid.

Critical thinking is not debate. Critical thinking is self-reflexive; awareness of the process of thinking and challenging not only others' views, but one's own.
You mentioned it there. That is a feature of debates it causes you to take other people's perspectives into account and reflect on the validity of your own based on what another person has said. In many cases it can lead to individuals re-examining their own views.



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02 Jan 2017, 3:55 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
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Shahunshah wrote:
The definition of critical thinking is to go in depth into a topic to bring out conclusions, ideas and answers. Now that in is what a political discussion and debate is. It is two people comparing ideas and discussing them to figure out which points are more strong and valid.

Critical thinking is not debate. Critical thinking is self-reflexive; awareness of the process of thinking and challenging not only others' views, but one's own.
You mentioned it there. That is a feature of debates it causes you to take other people's perspectives into account and reflect on the validity of your own based on what another person has said. In many cases it can lead to individuals re-examining their own views.

For sure; it is part of debate. Critical thinking is part of all thinking.



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02 Jan 2017, 3:57 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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Shahunshah wrote:
The definition of critical thinking is to go in depth into a topic to bring out conclusions, ideas and answers. Now that in is what a political discussion and debate is. It is two people comparing ideas and discussing them to figure out which points are more strong and valid.

Critical thinking is not debate. Critical thinking is self-reflexive; awareness of the process of thinking and challenging not only others' views, but one's own.
You mentioned it there. That is a feature of debates it causes you to take other people's perspectives into account and reflect on the validity of your own based on what another person has said. In many cases it can lead to individuals re-examining their own views.

For sure; it is part of debate. Critical thinking is part of all thinking.

Okay so where are millennials like me lacking?



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02 Jan 2017, 4:01 pm

I don't think you are a millennial; you are of an even younger generation which is yet to be named.

But to answer your question, I think they lack humility in the face of the learning of civilization. They think that technology can replace the thinking of the human mind. That time may come, but we're not there yet.



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02 Jan 2017, 4:13 pm

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I don't think you are a millennial; you are of an even younger generation which is yet to be named.

But to answer your question, I think they lack humility in the face of the learning of civilization. They think that technology can replace the thinking of the human mind. That time may come, but we're not there yet.


Not so sure about that. Throughout history we have always relied on technology to dictate our thinking e.g. television, books etc. Its kind of normal not necessarily something we should scorn. If anything it is good since people look towards facts rather than perceptions to dictate their thinking.

Sorry if this is off topic.



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I don't think you are a millennial; you are of an even younger generation which is yet to be named.

But to answer your question, I think they lack humility in the face of the learning of civilization. They think that technology can replace the thinking of the human mind. That time may come, but we're not there yet.


Not so sure about that. Throughout history we have always relied on technology to dictate our thinking e.g. television, books etc. Its kind of normal not necessarily something we should scorn. If anything it is good since people look towards facts rather than perceptions to dictate their thinking.

Sorry if this is off topic.

"The medium is the message." Marshall McLuhan Wikipedia

Information is tainted by its presentation.



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02 Jan 2017, 4:28 pm

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androbot01 wrote:
I don't think you are a millennial; you are of an even younger generation which is yet to be named.

But to answer your question, I think they lack humility in the face of the learning of civilization. They think that technology can replace the thinking of the human mind. That time may come, but we're not there yet.


Not so sure about that. Throughout history we have always relied on technology to dictate our thinking e.g. television, books etc. Its kind of normal not necessarily something we should scorn. If anything it is good since people look towards facts rather than perceptions to dictate their thinking.

Sorry if this is off topic.

"The medium is the message." Marshall McLuhan Wikipedia

Information is tainted by its presentation.
And what about it. You have highlighted a problem but to be honest I don't see how it relates to your original problem. Why you are frustrated with millennials. You appear to be upset with change how can this go onto being about a generation?



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02 Jan 2017, 4:32 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
I don't think you are a millennial; you are of an even younger generation which is yet to be named.

But to answer your question, I think they lack humility in the face of the learning of civilization. They think that technology can replace the thinking of the human mind. That time may come, but we're not there yet.


Not so sure about that. Throughout history we have always relied on technology to dictate our thinking e.g. television, books etc. Its kind of normal not necessarily something we should scorn. If anything it is good since people look towards facts rather than perceptions to dictate their thinking.

Sorry if this is off topic.

"The medium is the message." Marshall McLuhan Wikipedia

Information is tainted by its presentation.
And what about it. You have highlighted a problem but to be honest I don't see how it relates to your original problem. Why you are frustrated with millennials. You appear to be upset with change how can this go onto being about a generation?

I am not upset by change at all; rather, I embrace it wholeheartedly. Technological and biological advancements have saved my life.
The millennials were the first generation to come of age not knowing a time without the internet. I fear that they will be tempted to rely too much on it and become lazy about their own thinking.



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02 Jan 2017, 4:40 pm

androbot01 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
I don't think you are a millennial; you are of an even younger generation which is yet to be named.

But to answer your question, I think they lack humility in the face of the learning of civilization. They think that technology can replace the thinking of the human mind. That time may come, but we're not there yet.


Not so sure about that. Throughout history we have always relied on technology to dictate our thinking e.g. television, books etc. Its kind of normal not necessarily something we should scorn. If anything it is good since people look towards facts rather than perceptions to dictate their thinking.

Sorry if this is off topic.

"The medium is the message." Marshall McLuhan Wikipedia

Information is tainted by its presentation.
And what about it. You have highlighted a problem but to be honest I don't see how it relates to your original problem. Why you are frustrated with millennials. You appear to be upset with change how can this go onto being about a generation?

I am not upset by change at all; rather, I embrace it wholeheartedly. Technological and biological advancements have saved my life.
The millennials were the first generation to come of age not knowing a time without the internet. I fear that they will be tempted to rely too much on it and become lazy about their own thinking.
Such could be the case already. I think we may honestly already be in that stage. We have the option to tune into media that supports our thinking whilst closing our self off to others. As a result we never get exposed to different perspectives and our opinions become hard to change.

But we got to put faith into the internet. For me it has been a tool I am able to discuss and debate these issues in a way I wouldn't be able to before. And things like Reddit, forums and YouTube comments have become places to discuss issues for millions of people. Would I chose that over a system whereby our opinions come from the television we watch and the channels we choose yes I would. The internet is like an improvement for once we can discuss these issues rather than simply having our opinions solely from which media we watch.



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03 Jan 2017, 2:13 am

I'm frustrated with millennials as well.


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03 Jan 2017, 2:44 am

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I'm frustrated with millennials as well.
Why?



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03 Jan 2017, 10:39 am

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Such could be the case already. I think we may honestly already be in that stage. We have the option to tune into media that supports our thinking whilst closing our self off to others. As a result we never get exposed to different perspectives and our opinions become hard to change.

But we got to put faith into the internet. For me it has been a tool I am able to discuss and debate these issues in a way I wouldn't be able to before. And things like Reddit, forums and YouTube comments have become places to discuss issues for millions of people. Would I chose that over a system whereby our opinions come from the television we watch and the channels we choose yes I would. The internet is like an improvement for once we can discuss these issues rather than simply having our opinions solely from which media we watch.

The internet is interactive media and it is an improvement in that it facilitates ease of communication and access to information. Because so many sources are available, it is important to be able to evaluate them. The opportunities are greater, but there are also more pitfalls.



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03 Jan 2017, 2:43 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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Such could be the case already. I think we may honestly already be in that stage. We have the option to tune into media that supports our thinking whilst closing our self off to others. As a result we never get exposed to different perspectives and our opinions become hard to change.

But we got to put faith into the internet. For me it has been a tool I am able to discuss and debate these issues in a way I wouldn't be able to before. And things like Reddit, forums and YouTube comments have become places to discuss issues for millions of people. Would I chose that over a system whereby our opinions come from the television we watch and the channels we choose yes I would. The internet is like an improvement for once we can discuss these issues rather than simply having our opinions solely from which media we watch.

The internet is interactive media and it is an improvement in that it facilitates ease of communication and access to information. Because so many sources are available, it is important to be able to evaluate them. The opportunities are greater, but there are also more pitfalls.
Okay but can we ultimately rid of this assumption about millennials?



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03 Jan 2017, 5:05 pm

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Okay but can we ultimately rid of this assumption about millennials?

Millennials are more exposed to media than previous generations. Your generation even more so. Technology has been around since they started honing flint to hunt, but it has never changed so quickly in so many ways before.



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03 Jan 2017, 5:24 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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Okay but can we ultimately rid of this assumption about millennials?

Millennials are more exposed to media than previous generations. Your generation even more so. Technology has been around since they started honing flint to hunt, but it has never changed so quickly in so many ways before.
Is that really different from the 1990s?

If anything what we millennials have now may be an improvement.