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03 Jan 2017, 6:50 pm

...I put up what was intended to be an addition to this line but it ended up going up on its own - It also had : Millenials : as well as : Boomers : in the header .


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03 Jan 2017, 7:15 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
If anything what we millennials have now may be an improvement.

How so?



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04 Jan 2017, 6:35 am

androbot01 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Okay but can we ultimately rid of this assumption about millennials?
Millennials are more exposed to media than previous generations. Your generation even more so. Technology has been around since they started honing flint to hunt, but it has never changed so quickly in so many ways before.
Too much media. It's like drinking from a firehose. You get so many conflicting reports. It's always their word against their word and there's no proof from either side.


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04 Jan 2017, 7:51 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Okay but can we ultimately rid of this assumption about millennials?
Millennials are more exposed to media than previous generations. Your generation even more so. Technology has been around since they started honing flint to hunt, but it has never changed so quickly in so many ways before.
Too much media. It's like drinking from a firehose. You get so many conflicting reports. It's always their word against their word and there's no proof from either side.

That's why research is so important.



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04 Jan 2017, 7:53 am

androbot01 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Okay but can we ultimately rid of this assumption about millennials?
Millennials are more exposed to media than previous generations. Your generation even more so. Technology has been around since they started honing flint to hunt, but it has never changed so quickly in so many ways before.
Too much media. It's like drinking from a firehose. You get so many conflicting reports. It's always their word against their word and there's no proof from either side.
That's why research is so important.
True but sometimes I feel like more research leads me to more lies. I want to avoid confirmation bias and the echo chamber effect so that's why I try to read both sides of the debate.


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04 Jan 2017, 7:58 am

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True but sometimes I feel like more research leads me to more lies. I want to avoid confirmation bias and the echo chamber effect so that's why I try to read both sides of the debate.

I agree; it is good to become familiar with both sides. More research does lead to more lies, but more truths as well.



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04 Jan 2017, 9:11 am

Hessiod 8th Century BC wrote:
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint".


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"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behaviour and dress."


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04 Jan 2017, 9:25 am

I have no illusions the young of today are faultless, they surely have their faults, so do their elders.
None of us are perfect.

It's not that each generation gets worse and worse, it's that people often fail to perceive their own faults and the faults of their own generation.

Or if they do perceive them, it's often through rose and sepia tinted glasses.

At other times it's that the new generation does things their own way. Not a better or worse way, just different, and therefore it feels, strange and uncomfortable to the old.



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04 Jan 2017, 4:17 pm

Peter the Hermit 1274 wrote:
As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behaviour and dress."
Good. I hope their style of dress becomes even more immodest so I can have something nice to look at.

The slutwalk protests are my favourite aspect of feminism.

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04 Jan 2017, 8:00 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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If anything what we millennials have now may be an improvement.

How so?
I will tell you why. In the 90s people wouldn't be doing critical thinking either. They could simply choose which media they would want to watch CNN, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh etc and their opinions would likely never change. This has arguably changed for the better with the internet. Now with better communication people have a greater opportunity to converse and share perspectives. I feel as though you are no longer entirely shut in your bubble. What's also true is that with Wikipedia people now have a chance to look at objective facts and make their judgement from their rather than have their perspective tainted with bias.



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04 Jan 2017, 10:13 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
What's also true is that with Wikipedia people now have a chance to look at objective facts and make their judgement from their rather than have their perspective tainted with bias.

Wikipedia is your example of an unbiased source?! The fact that anyone can edit it and no one ensures that it's vetted with any relevant expertise makes it more susceptible to bias than most sources.



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04 Jan 2017, 10:18 pm

starkid wrote:
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What's also true is that with Wikipedia people now have a chance to look at objective facts and make their judgement from their rather than have their perspective tainted with bias.

Wikipedia is your example of an unbiased source?! The fact that anyone can edit it and no one ensures that it's vetted with any relevant expertise makes it more susceptible to bias than most sources.
Wikipedia has editors that regularly go through the site and look for these kinds of biases. In the 2016 Wikipedia article I was responsible for creating the section about the 2010 midterm elections. As soon as I labelled the tea Party movement "Partisan" that was quickly edited out.



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04 Jan 2017, 10:20 pm

Other websites are no better than Wikipedia because anyone can make a website.


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04 Jan 2017, 10:26 pm

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Wikipedia has editors that regularly go through the site and look for these kinds of biases.

Unpaid editors with no relevant expertise? What assurance does anyone have that they remove bias or don't introduce it themselves, in comparison to typical professional editors?

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In the 2016 Wikipedia article I was responsible for creating the section about the 2010 midterm elections. As soon as I labelled the tea Party movement "Partisan" that was quickly edited out.

Is this supposed to be an example of the Wikipedia editors removing bias? The Tea Party movement is partisan! All political movements are inherently partisan. There's no bias in calling a political movement partisan.



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04 Jan 2017, 10:30 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Other websites are no better than Wikipedia because anyone can make a website.

We are discussing Wikipedia as an information source, not Wikipedia as a website. It's not comparable to every other website because most websites were not intended to be a source of facts.



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04 Jan 2017, 10:37 pm

Wikipedia, to me, is a very good resource.

Many of the articles claim many sources.