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04 Jan 2017, 10:49 pm

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Wikipedia has editors that regularly go through the site and look for these kinds of biases.

Unpaid editors with no relevant expertise? What assurance does anyone have that they remove bias or don't introduce it themselves, in comparison to typical professional editors?

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In the 2016 Wikipedia article I was responsible for creating the section about the 2010 midterm elections. As soon as I labelled the tea Party movement "Partisan" that was quickly edited out.

Is this supposed to be an example of the Wikipedia editors removing bias? The Tea Party movement is partisan! All political movements are inherently partisan. There's no bias in calling a political movement partisan.
Your'e missing the point. Partisan is a pejorative that is someone's opinion. When an article labels a movement that it is taking an opinion. When an article avoids doing that it shows they are being objective.



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04 Jan 2017, 10:56 pm

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Your'e missing the point. Partisan is a pejorative that is someone's opinion. When an article labels a movement that it is taking an opinion. When an article avoids doing that it shows they are being objective.

I didn't miss the point. The pejorative sense of "partisan" is only one meaning of the word. The word also has a neutral meaning.



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04 Jan 2017, 11:03 pm

starkid wrote:
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Your'e missing the point. Partisan is a pejorative that is someone's opinion. When an article labels a movement that it is taking an opinion. When an article avoids doing that it shows they are being objective.

I didn't miss the point. The pejorative sense of "partisan" is only one meaning of the word. The word also has a neutral meaning.
It is in American terminology. It has often been used to describe the ugly situation when two political parties can't get along and compromise.

Its also worth pointing out that the Tea Party movement isn't totally partisan. Many of their leaders like Marco Rubio have reached across the aisle to work with Democrats.

Anyways should you read up on any political party on Wikipedia you would find it really hard to detect any direct words of bias.



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04 Jan 2017, 11:24 pm

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It doesn't bother me. Critical thinking is something you gain with experience.


If they gain it at all. I just cut off a so-called friendship with a guy that I wish he'd act his age, and not his shoe size. I got sick and tired of his antics. He' a year younger than I am, and he's a grandfather. His grandkids have better sense than he has, and they're toddlers and infants. I almost backhanded the older of the two, the other day, since she's starting to develop a smart mouth and getting quite rude (Geez, where did she pick that up? From Momma and Grandpa, that's who!). I told one of former employers, if this jackass keeps it up, I'm either 1) going to end up as a permanent resident of the psych ward, 2) take an oak 2x4 to his head or 3) take my roommate's service revolver and put a few holes in this guy's head, then plead permanent insanity (since I was already declared bipolar I by a licensed psychiatrist and psychologist.)



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04 Jan 2017, 11:44 pm

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His grandkids have better sense than he has, and they're toddlers and infants. I almost backhanded the older of the two

You almost back-handed a baby?



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04 Jan 2017, 11:46 pm

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It's my impression that older people (i.e. even older than I am) are most vulnerable to fake news, because they don't understand how it comes about. I don't think my millennial children are fooled in the least, although of course they may just be smarter than most millennials :wink: .


That's been my anecdotal experience as well. The people I've met that think that aliens built the pyramids, Obama is a secret Kenyan communist, etc are mostly Baby Boomers or older, who aren't very skeptical about the things they see in the media. I think the idea that a newscaster might lie to you for Facebook likes is not something they're used to.



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04 Jan 2017, 11:49 pm

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His grandkids have better sense than he has, and they're toddlers and infants. I almost backhanded the older of the two

You almost back-handed a baby?


I said almost. Grandpa got to her and backhanded her. Remember, the is PA Dutch Country. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Might makes right. In order to make a child compliant to your discipline, you have to break them like you break a horse. It's a harsh and cruel world out there, so these little brats need to suffer cruel and harsh physical corporal punishment early and often. THAT'S how I was brought up, along with others in my generation. We turned out the better for it, suffice to say, for most of us.



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05 Jan 2017, 12:05 am

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His grandkids have better sense than he has, and they're toddlers and infants. I almost backhanded the older of the two

You almost back-handed a baby?


I said almost. Grandpa got to her and backhanded her. Remember, the is PA Dutch Country. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Might makes right. In order to make a child compliant to your discipline, you have to break them like you break a horse. It's a harsh and cruel world out there, so these little brats need to suffer cruel and harsh physical corporal punishment early and often. THAT'S how I was brought up, along with others in my generation. We turned out the better for it, suffice to say, for most of us.


Ok buddy. You and grandpa are child abusers. And the fact that you are using "that's how we were brought up and we're ok" to justify behavior in a thread about critical thinking is the ultimate irony. Double irony that you came to the thread to complain about how stupid someone else is.



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05 Jan 2017, 1:11 am

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His grandkids have better sense than he has, and they're toddlers and infants. I almost backhanded the older of the two

You almost back-handed a baby?


I said almost. Grandpa got to her and backhanded her. Remember, the is PA Dutch Country. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Might makes right. In order to make a child compliant to your discipline, you have to break them like you break a horse. It's a harsh and cruel world out there, so these little brats need to suffer cruel and harsh physical corporal punishment early and often. THAT'S how I was brought up, along with others in my generation. We turned out the better for it, suffice to say, for most of us.


Ok buddy. You and grandpa are child abusers. And the fact that you are using "that's how we were brought up and we're ok" to justify behavior in a thread about critical thinking is the ultimate irony. Double irony that you came to the thread to complain about how stupid someone else is.


The difference is I'm not married. I learned 55 years ago I have a violent temper, as well as a vicious mean streak, as well as a weak constitution and am a glutton.I GUARANTEE YOU NO WOMAN WANTED ANY PART OF ME, EVER. If you only knew how much it for me to constrain myself, you wouldn't be saying abusive to others, but abusive to self.



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05 Jan 2017, 2:43 am

Secretalien wrote:
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It's my impression that older people (i.e. even older than I am) are most vulnerable to fake news, because they don't understand how it comes about. I don't think my millennial children are fooled in the least, although of course they may just be smarter than most millennials :wink: .


That's been my anecdotal experience as well. The people I've met that think that aliens built the pyramids, Obama is a secret Kenyan communist, etc are mostly Baby Boomers or older, who aren't very skeptical about the things they see in the media. I think the idea that a newscaster might lie to you for Facebook likes is not something they're used to.


Our formative years were Vietnam and Watergate and our middle age years had a war over WMD's that did not exist and that permenent job with a guaranteed pensions promised us did not work out so well. Why would we not be susceptible to "conspiracy theories"?


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05 Jan 2017, 3:03 pm

Two interesting observations I have made from reading this thread:

1) You guys forgot Generation X. Everyone always forgets us. ;)
2) Most people seem to be assuming that the new generation (Generation Z/Post 9/11s) is going to be similar to Millennials. No one knows if that will be the case.

I had a generational finding in my thesis project, which may be what I will pick to submit for publishing.

90% of the Boomers in my study of 38 total people were occasional, former, or current supervisors.
68% of the Generation Xers were occasional, former, or current supervisors.
33% of the Millennials were occasional, former, or current supervisors.

This is a strong trend showing that right now, the older an autistic worker is, the more likely they are to be in authority. I don't know if this trend will continue as each generation ages. Gen X will eventually become the old people in the workplace and the new generation will be the newbies. If it DOES continue, it would suggest that as autistic people age, they become well-suited for authority. If it does NOT continue, it would suggest that Boomers were raised in a way that suited them for authority.



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05 Jan 2017, 6:06 pm

LOL....I'm one of the Boomers who's never been in a supervisory position.



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05 Jan 2017, 6:54 pm

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LOL....I'm one of the Boomers who's never been in a supervisory position.


Unfortunately, I was, and hated every second of it!



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06 Jan 2017, 7:51 am

A couple of times I have found myself in supervisory roles and have been totally useless at it. I don't care what other people are doing and if I do try to guide them, any disagreement on their part is greeted with me giving in. I don't like conflict and I don't like telling other people what to do.



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06 Jan 2017, 9:21 am

I spent some time yesterday looking to see if anyone had documented if there were generational trends in who were in "leadership" (that's the buzz word, apparently) positions. I'm still looking. So far all I have found is whitemalewhitemalewhitemale. I mean, duh. Why do so many people bandwagon on the same useless facts we all already know?

I DID however find a few things perhaps interesting for our discussion in this thread.

-Millennials were consistently called "Generation Y" when they were just entering the workplace. There was no mention of the word "Millennial" until recently. So the new generation shouldn't have an official name until they are solidly in their 20s.

-No one knew how to describe Millennials in the early 2000s. They had to get older for people to know how they behaved as a generation. I mean now, it's obvious- they have the groupwork talent, the comfort in technology, the living at home longer (which I say is actually necessary), and a new finding of having their own baby boom of the next generation.

-So far, I'm not seeing a lot of official descriptions of Boomers or Generation X as supervisors or managers (or even as workers) and what is there are older references. I have also been looking at terms like "aging" because that would apply to the Boomers still working even though traditionally they should be retiring. Some of this is because of the economy, but I think there's an obvious other reason- that Boomers have a younger mindset than their predecessors, but I don't see anyone talking about this academically. I'm wondering if the interest in Millennials has just overshadowed the other generations.

If I don't find that anyone has already discussed these kind of things I will either have to change the way I try to publish this item or choose another topic. It was a surprise finding so I'm having to start over to see if any literature supports it.



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06 Jan 2017, 11:10 am

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LOL....I'm one of the Boomers who's never been in a supervisory position.


I was just thinking about it and you function as an informal leader on this board by being so active. You provide advice and support for a lot of different members in many different areas of the forum. That's on the same scale as being a church leader or an activities director.

And BTW I may have just found it. There is a 2013 article by a leadership institute that says boomers are more likely to be "followers." If that is the case, the 90% of boomers in my study being supervisors is a great finding!