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05 Jan 2010, 12:28 pm

Is it possible to have a purely logical relationship without having too many desires and feelings involved? If you have achieved this, is it possible to be happy and feel love in a purely logical relationship, or do you think something is missing/not right?

It would be ideal to be content and happy in a purely logical relationship, but how does one squelch the human desire for more? Is that desire too idealistic? If so, where does ideal love come from? It seems like the media portrays false love more so than ideal love. In the past, poets nailed ideal love, but now it seems that it has fallen to the waste side. Plus, poets who spoke of it were very unhappy or manic, falling between ecstasy and despair. Still, it seems as though that is the stuff life should be made of...

Would you want to experience that sort of ideal love, with all the heartache, or is it more logical to never have had that intense experience?

A logical relationship wouldn't include chemistry, because desire is emotionally based.


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05 Jan 2010, 12:35 pm

Is it possible? Certainly. Is it a romantic relationship? I don't think so; it's a construct, an intellectual bond between two people. To quote a song dear to me:

Quote:
Fools rush in
Where angels fear to tread
And so i come to you my love
My heart above my head
Though i see
The danger there
If there's a chance for me
Then i don't care

Fools rush in
Where wise men never go
But wise men never fall in love
So how are they to know
When we met
I felt my life begin
So open up your heart and let
This fool rush in


Love does not come without a price, or free of challenges. I think people are less willing to risk now than they were in the past... but that is merely my impression.


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05 Jan 2010, 12:39 pm

Good song choice.

I guess it's the heroic factor that seems ideal. The courage to boldly go where most men don't go stirs the rebel blood in me. But, I have to admit that sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for good reason.

Besides, even if you fall in love at first sight and all the chemistry is there, it will fade eventually.

"...Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand..." (the Skin Horse)


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05 Jan 2010, 12:59 pm

Chemistry doesn't have to fade, but I believe we do have to accept that it will change. After knowing my wife for ten years, there is still an innate draw between us that has never faded - in fact, it has only gotten stronger. But it isn't the same as when we first met... nor do I think I would want it to be. Yes, some roads are better left unwalked in my experience, but without taking those chances I would not recognize whether or not I wanted to explore those roads I encountered later in life.


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05 Jan 2010, 4:50 pm

My relationship is pretty much logical. I don't know how it be emotional or to be emotional than logical. My husband is logical too so we're both good. He is also emotional. He puts up with my logic.

I can't imagine being with someone who expects more out of me. The guy would probably think I don't care about him and I am cold and I lack empathy. My husband knows I care about him even if it feels for him I don't and he knows I do have empathy but I have difficulty showing it. I have to force it out of me and that is good for him but for other people, that might not be good enough for them because it's not natural. He can tell it's forced.



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06 Jan 2010, 12:42 am

Spokane_Girl wrote:
My relationship is pretty much logical. I don't know how it be emotional or to be emotional than logical. My husband is logical too so we're both good. He is also emotional. He puts up with my logic.

I can't imagine being with someone who expects more out of me. The guy would probably think I don't care about him and I am cold and I lack empathy. My husband knows I care about him even if it feels for him I don't and he knows I do have empathy but I have difficulty showing it. I have to force it out of me and that is good for him but for other people, that might not be good enough for them because it's not natural. He can tell it's forced.


I guess my question is, are you content with this?


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06 Jan 2010, 1:07 am

I could only be in emotional relationships. I get too many feelings and logic goes out of the window :roll:


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06 Jan 2010, 1:13 am

Yeah me too. But, I did push away lots of emotional relationships in the past due to logic. I wound up creating imaginary scenarios to delude myself perhaps. Life has a way of catching up with us though.


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06 Jan 2010, 1:41 am

Magnus wrote:
Spokane_Girl wrote:
My relationship is pretty much logical. I don't know how it be emotional or to be emotional than logical. My husband is logical too so we're both good. He is also emotional. He puts up with my logic.

I can't imagine being with someone who expects more out of me. The guy would probably think I don't care about him and I am cold and I lack empathy. My husband knows I care about him even if it feels for him I don't and he knows I do have empathy but I have difficulty showing it. I have to force it out of me and that is good for him but for other people, that might not be good enough for them because it's not natural. He can tell it's forced.


I guess my question is, are you content with this?



Yes



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06 Jan 2010, 11:16 am

Gold diggers are into logical relationships.


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06 Jan 2010, 11:31 am

Magnus wrote:
Gold diggers are into logical relationships.


1. Sweeping generalization.
2. While someone whose motives are purely financial in a relationship may be based in logic, that doesn't translate as it being a logical relationship. In fact, it would make sense that the side being taken advantage of likely has a higher emotional stake in the relationship.
3. What is the point of your comment?


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06 Jan 2010, 11:38 am

You speak of possible happiness and contentment in a relationship supposedly without emotions; see the contradiction here? Emotions are inherent in pretty much everything we do, including the solving of logic puzzles or problems.

It is not practical or workable to enter a relationship without a spark, unless for some reason you have to be in a relationship.



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06 Jan 2010, 1:17 pm

What's the point of a relationship of pure logic?

What kind of relationship has no emotion?
Obviously a hollow one I'd imagine.

I'm slightly confused by this Magnus. Could you explain a logical relationship?


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07 Jan 2010, 12:23 am

A logical relationship, is to love someone from a logical standpoint, not an emotional one.


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07 Jan 2010, 1:07 am

-What??

What does love and logic have anything to do with one another? Nothing.
They contradict. To have a logical relationship is like staying with a cheating husband for the kids, am I wrong? (though to me that's not really logical) Can you give me another example?


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07 Jan 2010, 1:09 am

Magnus wrote:
A logical relationship, is to love someone from a logical standpoint, not an emotional one.

This definition doesn't make sense to me, because love is very much about emotions. If there is no emotion in it, it's not love per se... more like a cut-and-dry business deal between the people involved than anything else. That's how I would define a logical relationship: like a business deal.


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