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liberty
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23 Sep 2007, 7:28 pm

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Does anyone know what the suicide rate is for adult Aspies as compared to the general population? It seems I read such frustration and desperation here...the rates must surely somehow reflect that. Any info?



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23 Sep 2007, 7:31 pm

I don't think I would know.

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23 Sep 2007, 8:00 pm

I wouldn't give the bastards the satisfaction.



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23 Sep 2007, 8:36 pm

I've heard the rate is high. But I don't know how anyone can truly say since the majority of adult Aspies go undiagnosed.

I think the rate of depression or loneliness is high among Aspies. Since we are bad about not completing things I think that would reflect in that many Aspies think about suicide, but not many follow through and actually do it.



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23 Sep 2007, 9:00 pm

Funny you should mention that; I just posted on my old suicide board for the first time in half a year. I've never seen AS come up there though, so I can offer no clues either.

I agree to never give anyone the satisfaction. If you feel life is pushing you to end YOUR life, push back! Even if it's a living Hell, as long as you're alive you can possibly do some damage to the social constructs that prevent us all from reaching our full potential. Evolution is about fighting as hard as possible for survival, so you'll be doing your species and the planet a favor. Even if I never get to pass on my genes, I can make a difference in that regard.

I consider any potential suicide attempt on my part a logical decision to make based on that paradigm. If I ever feel I can never make any difference, or that NOTHING and NO ONE around me is worth preserving, I make my move.

Onto the freeway through the off-ramp...

No, I'm not inciting violence, I just consider that a good watermark: If I still care enough to regret taking dozens of innocent motorists with me, even if I'm not sure why, I must at least subconsciously feel something is worth living for. To actually make an attempt is to not care how big a mess I make in doing so. No, O.D.ing never consistently works without a Drain-o chaser, so unless your method is violent enough to make a HUGE mess, you'll just end up living in 100 times worse misery and unable to finish the job.

Sorry if I'm the only one who considers that an inspirational message promoting the joy of life. You just don't hear enough nuggets of joy that misanthropes can relate to.

Someone please dig up some actual stats like Liberty asked for. I don't mean to derail another thread.


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23 Sep 2007, 9:49 pm

The suicide rate comes from people who try to push us out of life. We have the right to retaliate appropriately.

Some of the best revenge is living well. Some of it is by doing things that they forbid us to do.

And here's what I don't like about some people: Even here there are people who will dictate how I live and express myself. Even closing off one option is extremely likely to be horribly wrong and an attack on my person.



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23 Sep 2007, 9:52 pm

It would be very tough to get accurate data on this.



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23 Sep 2007, 10:06 pm

I don't know what the rate is but I imagine it would be pretty high.


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23 Sep 2007, 10:52 pm

I doubt it could ever be fully know. I just discovered it at the age of 56. When you also give consideration to comorbids, such as Bipolar, it complicates it. BiPolar is well above any national averages and then you have to wonder if the national averages were inclusive.


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23 Sep 2007, 11:27 pm

Ticker wrote:
I've heard the rate is high. But I don't know how anyone can truly say since the majority of adult Aspies go undiagnosed.

I think the rate of depression or loneliness is high among Aspies. Since we are bad about not completing things I think that would reflect in that many Aspies think about suicide, but not many follow through and actually do it.


You have a point! I attempted suicide earlier this year and did not suceed. I even took a large dose of a certain prescription drug, which there is no antagonist for... So, maybe I'm here for a reason..probably not though. If there is a god, I am probably some absurd joke that he came up with for her/his/it's amusement....


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23 Sep 2007, 11:47 pm

Most of us are a force for good in this world. We are powerful in a way that the world waits to receive our blessing. The bullies force us to withhold that blessing. Can't you feel the gathering power when you are in the right mood, as if, if you could hold that thought in your mind for long enough, your body would regenerate completely and the world around you would become a paradise? I get what seems like desperately ill than my body does something to build around that illness and I become better than I was before.

I think that something about us is "holy" and cannot easily be destroyed.

I simply don't die. I've met others who seemed like me, like a man who recovered completely from massive stroke and heart attack and looked fairly young. My own heart seems to get sick and feel injured than shove off the illness as if it were just a nuisance. I have been exposed to levels of carbon monoxide that should have killed me and it only made me sick to my stomach, and poisons and drugs don't seem to work right.

About the Carl Jung quote, sanity seems to me to be a condition that should be cured.



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23 Sep 2007, 11:59 pm

The feeling is like I and many others are waiting for some event or something.

If this is true, I think it may be the biggest crock of s**t that a bunch of people were dipped in. If there is a magical God who thinks in these terms, I have a problem with all that. I live a dismal life being sucked dry by someone who has chosen not to work, something always happens that I can't put a couple of dollars together to start an online business, and I constantly feel learned helplessness as if that is the only feature of my life these days. Why would God want me to essentially be a giant ret*d who is flailing about and that's the way he keeps me in stasis until he wants to use me?

Screw that. I was raised with that pseudo-spiritual garbage by people who couldn't put two thoughts together with superglue. The world goes to hell in a broken down handbasket because people's ways of thinking are passive and do not add value. The only reason that we are like this is because we got screwed.



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24 Sep 2007, 2:03 pm

Yeah I wonder sometimes about God's plans. I really don't understand why I even exist. I feel so useless to the world. Yet God has let me live over and over when technically I should have died. My twin brother was stillborn, yet I survived though I was deprived of oxygen too. At 6 months old I almost died because I was loosing lots of weight. At 9 months old I had a head injury that should have killed me. In my adult years I have had two other severe head injuries, almost died on operating table in what was suppose to be a simple wrist operation, been struck by lightning twice, barely missed getting hit by a boulder rolling down onto the road. I even survived a fall that broke both legs and barely missed hitting my head on a boulder as I fell down. I was in shock but still managed to crawl to the car as I was out in the wilderness and then drove myself to nearest emergency clinic. I had 95.0 temp when I got there..I was in shock and did this. Now you tell me why I am still alive? There's not enough dumb luck in the whole world to cover all that.



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24 Sep 2007, 5:05 pm

This should be a poll.

Are you a successful suicide?

yes
no

THEN we'd know.



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24 Sep 2007, 7:02 pm

roflmao


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24 Sep 2007, 7:25 pm

What? You mean Aspergers isn't something they find during an autopsy?