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08 Jan 2008, 2:35 pm

Is Apartheid a solution?
Sometimes I wonder if to maintain relationships (or find new ones) exclusively with people in the autism spectrum would be a solution (or a help) for many of our problems. To create a community of auties, like it happens that junkies tend to band together. I think this has already happened mechanically, (without consciousness) in the past. Many of the people I have "befriended" in the past were somehow “special”. Once they were called “neurotic”, “compulsive”, attached to rituals, inhibited. It was easier to band with them, because, like me, they didn’t dance, court easily, were shy and little aggressive. Now I can't accept this as a solution anymore. I don't believe anymore in the comedy of "friendship". Would be some form of socializing with auties, but with consciousness (this happens here in this site) be possible. Something like the AAA groups perhaps? But face to face, with physical nearness?


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08 Jan 2008, 3:53 pm

No I don't think so, manly because of logistics and human nature. I was born in South Africa and while I don't remember my time there, the little I know from what I read or been told by my father is you just can't socially engineer division on that level to and expect to create a fair or equal system no matter what the intentions. The fact of the matter is such a system has to be enforced and that itself is oppressive. If you are not the enforcer you are completely dependent.

The joke was the 'homelands' known as 'grand apartheid'. This was the excuse to treat the black as non-equals. If they has these homelands they wouldn't have to be in white south Africa, otherwise they had to make do 'petty apartheid' of the townships. The fact of the matter is these homelands weren't autonomous and they had to be puppet states in order for apartheid to work, they were totally dependent from resources from outside.

Gaza strip is similar it is totally dependent. It gets many things from outside, it is subject to what is Israel decides and to a more limited extent Egypt although that can be revoked easily by Israel. It is in a much weaker position than Bangladesh when it was East Pakistan. That is why it almost certainly has to be connected to the west bank for a peace deal to work. It is quite messy because Israel will also want to have access to the sea. So the only way it could probably work is with some sort of 'turn style' affair, but who is going to oversee that?

Louis Farrakhan’s segregation philosophy is completely misguided/bigoted nonsense dressed up to sound rational. Although it will never happen, those at the top of the organisation would be the only beneficiaries.

All of these ideas focuses on our differences and ignore the fact that we are same animals.

Why don’t you believe in friendship? Maybe you have different idea of friendship than me.



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08 Jan 2008, 6:31 pm

No thanks, One is bad enough! :wink:


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08 Jan 2008, 9:48 pm

..as mentioned previously, it didn't work for Anzania...;)



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08 Jan 2008, 9:56 pm

Beware of the cost of the "easy" answers. Sometimes it's your life, sometimes it's more.


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09 Jan 2008, 2:10 am

I certainly did not mean an enforced segregation. But there are many for,s of self segregation like Chinamen in Chinatowns all over the world with some form of pidgin to communicate with strangers. Same for less closed ethnicities like Italians in the Us (“little Italies”), Jews in America ghettoes, Magrebins in French cities. But communication in pidgin is limited to business.

As for believing in friendship, apparently friendship exists but it’s out of my reach at least with normal people, and probably that’s true for most people posting here.

Anyhow self segragation is only an hypothesis.


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09 Jan 2008, 3:12 am

People self-segregate all the time. However, no one should need to do so. The point of neurodiversity is to promote a more inclusive society which would accommodate all of us.


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10 Jan 2008, 4:16 pm

paolo wrote:
I certainly did not mean an enforced segregation. But there are many for,s of self segregation like Chinamen in Chinatowns all over the world with some form of pidgin to communicate with strangers. Same for less closed ethnicities like Italians in the Us (“little Italies”), Jews in America ghettoes, Magrebins in French cities. But communication in pidgin is limited to business.

As for believing in friendship, apparently friendship exists but it’s out of my reach at least with normal people, and probably that’s true for most people posting here.

Anyhow self segragation is only an hypothesis.



There is noting wrong with different cultures. However when there is near total segregation it has been the cause of tensions.

In in china towns while there may be a language barrier for some, the reason why it work is for many of them there is no language barrier at all, and those that do they or their dependence will eventually learn the language. Also these areas are constantly changing. What used to be the Jewish quarter in London is now mostly Bangladeshi.

They are interesting places don't get me wrong. I love being near tooting which has lots of Asian shops. They can do business well, most of them can can communicate well enough are very social. They seek business and interaction. It is also not as limited business as you might think and that gets eroded over time as they spread out. I'm not sure where the parallel is for autism.

Self segregation is avoidance. It has it's advantages but it doesn't sound as if it meets your needs entirely.