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14 Dec 2008, 7:46 am

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Giving help in childhood is the best time, in childhood you learn easier and do not have patterns that cannot be bended. And without the help I received in my childhood, I could not function like I do now with a job and such.

But I think some help would useful now, people are still worrying about me. But most help is targeted on the really heavy cases of autism or on people with low intelligence. For someone with a job and an above average intelligence there is no help. At least not in The Netherlands.


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14 Dec 2008, 7:49 am

I agree it is unsatisfactory that there is nothing for adults with AS. The question is: "What do we need?".

It's not easy to answer for those who have struggled through 30, 40 or more years with no idea that we actually needed anything at all. Other than to "make more effort to fit in", which is what I've regularly been told.

I would start by suggesting AS specialised counselling support. The key being "AS specialised", as counselling support is common but generally clueless when it comes to AS. I've now had many years with several different psychotherepeutic practitioners and I suspect that the model of the human being that they use is so NT biased, it is ultimately detrimental to those with AS. Personally, I don't need to spend years delving into my childhood, what I really need is to talk to someone WHO UNDERSTANDS, about what is happening right now. And not to be told "you just need to get out more and join some evening classes".


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14 Dec 2008, 8:17 am

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Part of it is because Aspergers is such a new diagnosis they don't realize that there are older adults that had it before it became a known diagnosis.

But also no one really cares what happens to Aspergers adults. Autistic people in general are viewed as worthless since few contribute to society. Basically its a wasted expense to help us because society gets little if anything in return for the investment.

The real change will occur when the current generation hits adulthood because there are so many with developmental disorders that society will have no choice but to help them because there won't be enough NT's to keep the world running. That said they have found very little that helps ASD people. I mean what would you have them do for you? They can't get rid of your sensory issues. They can't make you act normal so your boss doesn't hate you. They can't make people be nice to you if they don't want to. I think a lot of work will be done from home in the future and that is when Aspies will find it easier to work.


Yes I guess that true too. But arent there alot of aspies who work?



This information is taken from the National Autistic Society (UK) website:

It is estimated that there are about 332,600 people of working age in the UK with an autistic spectrum disorder (ASD), and of this number an estimated 259,506 are thought to be of average or above average intelligence. NAS research by Barnard et al (2001) has shown only 6% of all people with an ASD have full-time paid employment, and only 12% of those with high-functioning autism or Asperger syndrome had full-time jobs.1 This proportion is much lower than the general figures for the employment status of the 7 million people of working age with disabilities, where 49% were in employment in 2003, compared with 81% of people who are not disabled.2

The estimated lifetime cost to the Exchequer of a person with higher functioning autism or Asperger syndrome is £750,000.3



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14 Dec 2008, 9:02 am

What help do adults with As need. Are you kidding ? I can't organize my house and it's a chaotic mess. I didn't learn how to cook anything but Ramon noodles and toast until I was in my mid twenties(nt that it mattered, since that I was about all I could afford to eat . I have had jobs but only because I am willing to do hard manual labor, clean up dog poo, change adult diapers or work over night shifts, neither requiring much socialization . I have a BA in psychology and though I may have some cognitive issues I know I'm not stupid but I don't know how to do "grown up things" . That might be a good start . I realize there are different levels of functioning, even with-in Aspergers and maybe my co-morbids...driving and social anxiety, executive dysfunction, auditory processing,etc are more problem then other As traits but the fact is that many people with As have these additional co-morbids and there is still no help .

Case in Point....My boyfriend has MS but is "higher functioning" then I am and he has services offered to him of a social worker coming in to help him get organized and keep up with paper work...My issues are also neurological but there is nothing for me ? I know with a minimal amount of help that I could accomplish more and would in effect have more to "give back" to society and I am pissed that I am being written off as a "lost cause" because some "expert" thinks I have missed my window of opportunity . Even current research supports that "older" brains are much more pliant and resilient to learning then previously believe. I am a dog that can be taught new tricks but one of them is not going to be "roll-over and play dead" .


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14 Dec 2008, 9:33 am

Bundling the help with one person would be a start.

Different options could be:
- organizing your house
- job interviews
- how to clean efficiently
- cleaning help
- help with social situations
- someone to help find new clothing



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14 Dec 2008, 10:28 am

Because we fade away in a neat, colorful gradient after age 18!! !

Haven't you heard?! :lol:

Just kidding. Honestly, I think there needs to be a hell of a lot more. But Autistic adults just aren't close enough to 'cute charity cases' unless we're slow and physically attractive. :roll:
And even then there seems to be a lot less then there should.


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14 Dec 2008, 11:06 am

[quote="krex"]What help do adults with As need. Are you kidding ? I can't organize my house and it's a chaotic mess. I didn't learn how to cook anything but Ramon noodles and toast until I was in my mid twenties(nt that it mattered, since that I was about all I could afford to eat . I have had jobs but only because I am willing to do hard manual labor, clean up dog poo, change adult diapers or work over night shifts, neither requiring much socialization . I have a BA in psychology and though I may have some cognitive issues I know I'm not stupid but I don't know how to do "grown up things" . That might be a good start . I realize there are different levels of functioning, even with-in Aspergers and maybe my co-morbids...driving and social anxiety, executive dysfunction, auditory processing,etc are more problem then other As traits but the fact is that many people with As have these additional co-morbids and there is still no help .

Case in Point....My boyfriend has MS but is "higher functioning" then I am and he has services offered to him of a social worker coming in to help him get organized and keep up with paper work...My issues are also neurological but there is nothing for me ? I know with a minimal amount of help that I could accomplish more and would in effect have more to "give back" to society and I am pissed that I am being written off as a "lost cause" because some "expert" thinks I have missed my window of opportunity . Even current research supports that "older" brains are much more pliant and resilient to learning then previously believe. I am a dog that can be taught new tricks but one of them is not going to be "roll-over and play dead" .[/quote]

Minor encouragement or assistance in daily living skills would be helpful, keep daydreaming someone coming to the house and saying, right then, lets get you on track! This kindness alone would contribute to self-motivation. To believe that although you have missed early intervention, you are not ruined, broken, or a waste of resources.



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14 Dec 2008, 12:28 pm

Asterisp wrote:
Bundling the help with one person would be a start.

Different options could be:
- organizing your house
- job interviews
- how to clean efficiently
- cleaning help
- help with social situations
- someone to help find new clothing


you know. . this gives me an idea! you see, Asterisp, I am excellent in organizing my house, teaching how to clean efficiently, chosing satisfactory clothing and proper laundering techniques and am very good with job interviews.

what I need help with is
-managing household finances, bills
-providing and putting away for my old age
-managing medical appointments, eyeglasses, dental.
-what to fill my time with after work and on weekends

Perhaps we can help EACH OTHER with what we need help on?

Merle


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14 Dec 2008, 12:43 pm

well, I hopefully will get some response from autism speaks. Perhaps I will post there response here . I'll have too see, I may or may not.



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14 Dec 2008, 12:44 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
Asterisp wrote:
Bundling the help with one person would be a start.

Different options could be:
- organizing your house
- job interviews
- how to clean efficiently
- cleaning help
- help with social situations
- someone to help find new clothing


you know. . this gives me an idea! you see, Asterisp, I am excellent in organizing my house, teaching how to clean efficiently, chosing satisfactory clothing and proper laundering techniques and am very good with job interviews.

what I need help with is
-managing household finances, bills
-providing and putting away for my old age
-managing medical appointments, eyeglasses, dental.
-what to fill my time with after work and on weekends

Perhaps we can help EACH OTHER with what we need help on?

Merle


You know that is a very good idea!



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14 Dec 2008, 12:52 pm

just-me wrote:
well, I hopefully will get some response from autism speaks. Perhaps I will post there response here . I'll have too see, I may or may not.

A brave attempt - but don't hold your breath. Autism Speaks seems to be composed primarily of NTs who don't really believe that autistics can speak, and that if we have any communication skills at all (even typed) then we're "not really autistic".

In other words, they're part of the problem we're trying to address here, not part of the solution.


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14 Dec 2008, 3:00 pm

Asterisp wrote:
Bundling the help with one person would be a start.

Different options could be:
- organizing your house
- job interviews
- how to clean efficiently
- cleaning help
- help with social situations
- someone to help find new clothing


That's a good list. The last one is a big problem with me. I'm clueless about clothes and always will be. I help other people who are clueless about things I understand so it would be nice to get some reciprocal help.

sinsboldly wrote:
what I need help with is
-managing household finances, bills
-providing and putting away for my old age


I'm not an expert, but personal finance was one of my special interests for a time. The basic rules for finances are straightforward, the details complicated and ever changing.

High risk speculators may disagree, but for rest of us the basics are: 1) Get out of debt. Stay out of debt. Clear all debts apart from mortgage. (because interest you owe will ALWAYS be greater than interest you receive). 2) Then start saving as soon as possible even if it's only a little. There's a myriad ways to do this, from low to high risk.


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14 Dec 2008, 3:47 pm

ManErg wrote:
Asterisp wrote:
Bundling the help with one person would be a start.

Different options could be:
- organizing your house
- job interviews
- how to clean efficiently
- cleaning help
- help with social situations
- someone to help find new clothing


That's a good list. The last one is a big problem with me. I'm clueless about clothes and always will be. I help other people who are clueless about things I understand so it would be nice to get some reciprocal help.

sinsboldly wrote:
what I need help with is
-managing household finances, bills
-providing and putting away for my old age


I'm not an expert, but personal finance was one of my special interests for a time. The basic rules for finances are straightforward, the details complicated and ever changing.

High risk speculators may disagree, but for rest of us the basics are: 1) Get out of debt. Stay out of debt. Clear all debts apart from mortgage. (because interest you owe will ALWAYS be greater than interest you receive). 2) Then start saving as soon as possible even if it's only a little. There's a myriad ways to do this, from low to high risk.


oh!
I was just hoping to get some advice about how to organize the bills I get for rent and utilities, etc. Buying a house is so far from my reality . . .

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14 Dec 2008, 4:01 pm

These lists of things you want help with are all things that our parents should have taught us. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying the social workers and other professionals would shake their head if presented with a list like that. So basically people are asking to be parented past the age of 18 and society is not going to do that. Again society sees it as a job our parents should have done and our parents should have except for a lot of them were Aspies too! Mine both are!

Also Aspergers is not seen as a neurological condition (though it rightly is) so that is why you don't get help but a MS person does. Aspergers is currently seen as a mental disorder and not even a developmental disorder so that is why there is no help. Before you get jealous of the kids honestly there is very little being done for the kids either. The AS kids of today will end up much like us AS adults are now. Seriously it can't be cured and there is little anyone can do for us other than if your family decides to take care of you for life. The best thing we can do is use our higher intelligence to figure our own ways to survive in the world peacefully and morally which is what the older Aspies have been doing all along for centuries.



14 Dec 2008, 5:13 pm

I guess I am one of the lucky ones. My mother worked hard with me as I was growing up. She wanted me to live an independent life when I am an adult and be able to be on my own and be able to support myself, not end up in a group home or in a institution. I even asked for help when I had to fill out applications for jobs and mom helped me on interviews by rehearsing it with me. She would even have me write down my answers to questions the boss might ask.



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14 Dec 2008, 5:27 pm

It's not such a bad idea that was mentioned on the last page.

No point complaining that there is nothing out there already organised to support and help you.

If people need help and there is nothing these, then get it organised. Set something up where people can help each other out. I'm sure most people here need help with something and a significant number of people would be able to offer help too.