Free Gary McKinnon

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Are you consistent enough in your beliefs to state that you don't mind if someone accesses your computer files without your permission? Or does that depend on who's ox is being gored? Have you actually seen the files he got into or do you just ASSUME that he did not steal any info that could compromise US national security?

I'm not judging him personally, I'm not saying he's "malicious and evil" I just don't think he should get special treatment.
I do get what you mean about him being rewarded though, obviously america's security systems are flawed if anyone can get in them from the other side of the world. I think it's pretty cool how he hacked it, who knows what secrets their government were hiding. So I'm saying he may of pointed out that the security systems are flawed but don't be soft on him because he's got AS, if he broke the law he broke the law.

The extradition treaty did not even exist at the time of his activity and is therefore being used retrospectively. He could not have known about it at the time.

by the way the law is a consensus of authority it's abused all the time by everyone who can in one case ad in the other bended like it was an arm to reach any action.
so you shouldn't much use it as any argument. if aspies went to protest and the police would like they have threatened already "fail to provide safety" from said police and people will get severely injured like what has happened anyway will the police even the civilized england pay any responsibility? hell no they don't care about the law than why should people avoid protesting democratically against some skew application of it? it's the same law that favors the rich it's the same law that stunts progress with copy rights and patent laws that help only rich corporations but not individuals who those laws claim to protect , it's the same law that sues babies over downloading files off the internet for many thousands of dollars , it's the same judicial system that dresses like it has lots of prestigue and spins a lot of money around itself with a hefty dose of friction but fails to produce any better results than societies had without it to justify it's existence.

and in the end he can't be judged retroactively like this.

As usal r prime minster is sellin us out. Runnin around like a school child for the americans. This stupid one sided extradition treaty should be burned and this whole case is just discrimnation agasint asspies. I think rather then stand for its citzens and help us gordon brown would rather sell us out for brownie points toad faced git.

To be quite frank, whether I mind or not is of no consequence.

What he's done is easily controlled - it's not as though he's actually going to mess with people's lives.
Besides anyhow - England is an independent state. Americans shouldn't have a right to say how our civilians are tried.

Excuse me but - 70 years? For something so trivial? I don't mind if he did know what he was doing - the worst this should result to is mild community service. This isn't just because he has Asperger Syndrome. I'd stand up for anyone who isn't a worldwide threat. It's quite pathetic that this world is so willing to f**k up people's lives for a crime that hasn't resulted in any kind of tragedy, and certainly wasn't dangerous.

It wouldn't surprise me if American authorities are doing this out of pride. Kill your pride I say - it's pointless.

If he genuinely was doing this to later act out and commit terrorism, then sure America would have a case.

This is the exact opposite of dangerous. Whether he knew what he was doing or not, he broke a flawed law that in this case doesn't apply. To treat him correctly and humanely would be to monitor him a little closer in terms of use of the internet and perhaps mild community service - IN THE UK.

exactly, the law is flawed, the reason he was threatened with 70 years behind bars is because the US government sore that if they were exposed for playing with the public like puppets injecting the beliefs that our world is under surveillence by aliens(or what ever elsethey were hiding), it would destroy them. so no matter what type of person gary really is they wouldnt care, and because tony blair or gordon brown don't want to get there ass sacked there obviously going to do as there told by the common people and by the almighty US government.

Last edited by Aspie123 on 02 Aug 2009, 5:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Yes and I can understand if Brits get their knickers in a knot with respect to national pride but the "He is naive and dumber then a box of rocks because he is aspie" argument was old quite a while back. If people on this forum want aspies to be treated equally then claiming that aspies are not legally competent to answer for their conduct in court is not a good way to go about it. Is Gary still too damn stupid to realize that breaking into computers is wrong? Is he too stupid to grasp that he has legal problems?

Absolutely!

If Aspies themselves are saying that we should not be treated the same as NT's, then we can hardly complain if the NT's agree.

It is a bit early to be discussing the sentence considiring the fact that McKinnon has not been sentenced yet unless people are claiming that 70 years would be too much even if he was a terrorist.

This is part of my interpretation of the situation as well.

Makes sense to me.

The point is his autism is why he did this. His intent is important.

Gary does suffer from AS though.

Your comments dont make sense. in one sentence you mention that "to know right from wrong is ridiculous for aspies" and another puts you on the other side. Some autistics are too naive to know right from wrong, Gary has an extreme case of that.

it was convenient the guy was a hermit before he got into trouble with the law. SBC or some other psychologist noticed from his police interviews that he was an aspies.

now your confusing me, your mentioning its obvious he knew right from wrong and "dont judge people you dont know" but still judging people!

The problem is that he did the hacking during 2001-2002. Also there have been U.S. citizens extricated to the U.K. for crimes against in the U.K. The law is the law so even with AS he did a crime. Giving him special treatment will cause other hackers outside the U.S. to get the same treatment. If he clearly knew it would get him in trouble for hacking the Pentagon. Why didn't he stop his hacking or even never do the hacking in the first place?

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Only someone who had been a sufferer from OCD or an obsession that had literally meant that they were unable to apprehend any other type of outcome would understand.

i have OCD in the form of spending and hoarding, despite being warned by the bank im being charged for being OD i still cannot control my spending impulses sometimes. i also tend to loose track of my money easily.

i also knew that gluten and milk were damaging my system but it took me 10 years to give up this addiction. If that was heroin i would have got better treatment and recovery options than my food addiction.

Alexis