The Autistic Genocide Clock. This is sickening people.

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At last, there will not be many people back in the world if all with something that can be inherited abort their babies.

Atleast it would help with the overpopulation problem, running out of room for the people already here.

This is totally disgusting that this is happening, but hardly new news. All we can do is bombard the email addresses of the Autism Speaks people, the Judge Rotenberg Center people, the CAN people, the FEAT people, and all the rest of them with positive emails about autistics, and if you don't have it in you to do that, even telling them off or being horrible and nasty to them is better than nothing. Or is it? What if they give back to us what we give to them? I used to not have it in me to be anything but nasty to the nasty people. But now that my mood is going up again I realize that it's better for ALL of us that we just say nice things about autistics to them and keep it positive... but by all means we must do something!

This is totally disgusting that this is happening, but hardly new news. All we can do is bombard the email addresses of the Autism Speaks people, the Judge Rotenberg Center people, the CAN people, the FEAT people, and all the rest of them with positive emails about autistics, and if you don't have it in you to do that, even telling them off or being horrible and nasty to them is better than nothing. Or is it? What if they give back to us what we give to them? I used to not have it in me to be anything but horrible and nasty to the people who were horrible and nasty to me or anyone I cared about. But now that my mood is going up again I realize that it's best for ALL of us if we just keep it positive with nice things about autistics... but by all means we must do something!

were not the only skeleton in humanities closet, the tiger wolf, dodo, passenger pigeon, the quagga, steller sea cow, the caspian tiger, and soon us

excuse me , there are 1000 neurotypicals for each aspie in the world, and quite frankly most of them will waste their life on benefits and occupy places like prisons, we should abort them

This is like watching an argument about how horrible it is that the world will end in 2012. Fascinating to watch, but the major premise isn't true. Thus, all the arguments that follow from it are unsound.

Sigh...

Empty words, Genetics is complicated.

I got the chip installed in my head but cannot get the software to interface. That was a simple problem, trying to play with bio hardware is a mess.

1/60 of the people of earth died this year. They did not need any help. Even if we got that up to 1/30, or 1/15, it would not affect the gene pool, but it would improve things.

Like the Dotcom Bubble, Housing, we have a People Bubble, and they all pop. My bet is on autist survival skills.

As for CAN, Autism Speaks, and other media hype, the Charity scam bubble just popped, and they have high overhead. Autism Speaks raked in $20,000,000 a year and spent half on office parties and rent. With the take down below half, they are bankrupt.

If you do not give me money Autists are going to tell you of their special interests?

With sixteen million unemployed and the unemployment running out, soup kitchens will become the charity of choice, help us feed the hungry, or they will eat you! If we stop losing jobs, create a million a year, it will only take fifteen or twenty years to bring unemployment down to 5%.

One answer would be a ten year ban on all births. Get knocked up, get knocked off!

10% of this country is about to be living in the streets, we do not have an economy to revive, so that is the new reality, just like India. There will not be any money to test for social skills.

With a stressed and homeless population Swine Flu will direct the money to gathering the dead and tossing them in mass graves.

There were several bottlenecks in the past when a few had the whole world, they still dropped to between five and ten thousand. What we know of the Old World, Rome fed millions, when it fell a few hundred thousand lived. When they again became many, the Black Death took most of Europe three times. 75% died, we still have Autists.

It is the natural order of humans in action, a lot of NTs doing dumb things, because everyone else was, and then everyone dies.

Autists don't bathe, wear the same clothes for weeks, and can survive for months on a fifty pound sack of dry dog food.

Swine Flu will get the social types.

I am in favor of 2012, it is time for this age to end.

I'm mixed on this issue. Maybe we deserve to be wiped out. Maybe we don't.

I am a left wind person but I still find abortion to be unethical and wrong its not a womens rights issue its the fact fact that neither a man nor a women should be able to make life or death choices for a life without its own voice or advocate which is why I find circumcision for both sexes is an unethical practice because the parents should not have the right to make such a decission for their child because having the foreskin will not kill the baby.Remember all life is to be tresured because we never know if allowed what wonders or hapiness they may bring to our lives.

I make a distinction between aspergers/hfa on the one hand and for example Down syndrome on the other. I am pro-abortion for Down syndrome.

Given the mess vaccines and pharmaceuticals have caused, Its a joke when medical science keeps using the reasons that testing can lead to early diagnosis and treatment. What treatment? They don't know the cause yet. Find the cause eg excessive vaccination, and stop it, there will be no need for diagnosis and treatment..whoops, there goes the vaccine and pharmaceutical profits.

I agree .....abortion would've been the kindest thing anyone could've ever done for me.


It would be kindest thing billions of women could ever do for anything of their children...NT or otherwise.

I am 100% pro-abortion and.....at any time...for any reason.

I wish the human species would finally recognize itself for what it really is.

Nothing but a bunch of torturing devils on one hand and their tormented victims on the other. And as the recent disaster in the gulf ought to suggest, we do a pretty good job of torturing other species too.

There is NO rational or moral justification for the continued existence of this two-legged locust plague as far as i'm concerned.

Today, I learned about Buddhism. That made me happy. (Yes, I see the irony.)

Yesterday, I spent time in the sunshine. That made me happy.

Almost every day, I lose track of that and worry too much about the big picture. How can I live in a world where bad things happen? How can I fix all the world's wrongs? That makes me sad.

Take it one day at a time. Fix it one cause at a time.

I feel the computer supporting my wrists while I type. At other times, I've felt the utter elation of prayer, the utter desolation of despair. My life has been short so far, but every minute I live, I draw breath. I feel the air come into my body, and out again, and that alone makes life worth it.

I feel very weary some days, today among them. If I could trade that weariness for oblivion, if I could choose to feel nothing at all, to have no consciousness or being... or to feel the hot sting of tears in my eyes, the ache in my leg when I stay up for two days, the sharp pain where I have an old injury in my back, the anger I feel when I hear people say things like this, the despair I feel when I see evils I can't fix, or for more mundane reasons (PMS comes to mind), the anxiety and pain of trying to stop a meltdown, and then the meltdown itself...

I know which one I would choose, if I had the choice. You who claim that oblivion would be better-- have any of you had firsthand experience with it? Have you been dead?

Simply drawing breath for this one moment is reason enough to choose life. But to have the chance, on top of simply inhabiting a living body, to know God, to know joy and love and satisfaction... how can you even entertain the thought that it's not worth it?

Yesterday, I saw the sun set over the patio, shimmering white and purple and blue, gleaming blindingly brilliant through backlit trees. I had a meltdown yesterday evening. It hurt. I don't know how to describe that suffering, except that all life was pain and fear and trying to escape, feeling claustrophobic in the narrow confines of the universe itself. Would I want yesterday to go away, to have never happened? Never. I want to remember that day as long as I live.

Further, suppose I decide that you're right. Suppose I decide I'd rather have been aborted. Well, it's not like I'm immortal. I can wait, I can poison myself, stab myself, hang myself, asphyxiate myself, shoot myself, walk around in a bad neighborhood, cuss out a cop... I can always choose to die, to reverse the choice my mother made in giving birth to me. If she had aborted me, I would not be able to choose to live. Maybe hold off on telling me whether my life is worth living until I'm alive.

(Also, earlier, someone asked who remembers the Armenians. I am one. We live. That should tell you something.)

Now, I will sleep. I like sleeping, and especially dreaming. But I'm glad I'll wake up tomorrow.

Ugh... I never read the link, but abortion on any type, especially special needs fetuses in this case, is disgustingly evil and should be banned nation-wide in the US. At the same time though, I am getting kind of tired of hearing all this paranoia about "autistic genocide". I am not denying that the abortion process on Autistic and DS children is a horrible thing. Think of all the money the president could use for if not for the expansion of abortion practices.

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I don't believe oblivion can be defined as a better or worse than existence.

It's a perfectly neutral state of being ....in fact it's not even a "state of being" ofcourse.


I just think that non-suffering is preferable to a lifetime of little more than suffering.

If oblivion is the only way to avoid a lifetime of little more than suffering...then I see no reason to believe oblivion wouldn't be preferable.

Billions of people in this world have known and will continue to know little but suffering. Many other people are the cause of much, but certainly not all, of this suffering....both for other humans and non-human lifeforms.


I see absolutely no point to all this suffering.....no "greater good", no dark cloud with a silver lining.

I see no reason to believe in a god at all. Let alone a god who is handing out rewards to the long-suffering "virtuous" and punishments to the happy and non-suffering "wicked".

Should billions of humans and countless other lifeforms know little but suffering because
SOME out of this great mass of life will be happy?

I don't think anyone here would be willing to torture and murder 20 children if the happiness of 20 other children depended on the torture and murder of the first 20.

But that is...in effect...what happens everytime a human procreates.


There is obviously no way to prevent EVERYONE from experiencing little but suffering in their life. We can't even prevent the suffering of billions let alone every single person who is born into this world. The only way we could prevent it eventually is to allow our species to die out. I really don't understand why so many should suffer simply so others can obtain happiness and pleasure in life. There seems to be no rational or moral justification for this at all.





Some things aren't worth the risk. Everytime a human is born it is potentially facing a limitless quanity and quality of suffering. Imagine the amount of suffering countless children who were tortured and murdered in the holocaust endured in their short lives. It's not as if all of them had such wonderful lives either even BEFORE the nazis made their lives a living hell. Many grew up in poverty...as the children of the oppressed working classes and peasants in eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. Many were abused, sick, ill-fed, ill-clad, ill-educated, disabled, etc.....What was their great reward for all this? To see their parents being sadistically tortured and murdered by the SS in some miserable death camp which resembled nothing so much as Tolkien's land of Mordor? To later die in agony from the tender mercies of Xyklon-B? To be utterly forgotten and forsaken by both man and "god" after their remains were cremated in the ovens? To serve as reasons why such things should "never again" occur? I'm afraid their "service" was in vain, for such things have occured again in virtually every corner of the globe. Nah....not acceptable....not good enough to justify human existence in the first place IMO.

What god did they know? What was their living body aside from an entity perfectly designed to know and feel the unspeakable torments of hell on earth? Was whatever love and joy SOME of them experienced worth this monstrous cost? This is how I can entertain thoughts that it's not worth it. It is not worth for me....it was not worth it for them and it's not worth it for billions of others who have walked this deceptively beautiful earth. We who taste little but hell on earth are things that should not be. Unless "free will" can be proven to be something some of us, at least, possess.....we taste this hell through no fault of our own.

The cessation of all procreation is the only way to prevent anymore of us from ever being.

Life itself may be free for many of you.....but billions of others have paid and are paying dearly for it.