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23 Feb 2010, 7:08 pm

Once again, I raise my voice to the top of my lungs - WE ARE NOT GENETIC MISTAKES, NOR IS THERE A CURE FOR US! And abortion is WRONG! I prefer to be who I am, and not some NT. Who I am is what made me creative. WHAT I am is what MADE me!

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24 Feb 2010, 4:30 am

This is not down to relative morality.

If we are the best suited genotype to deal with the new technologies that will shortly arise, then really there isn't much NT's can do about it, except complain it is all so unfair when it happens .

When true AI does arise , things will be very different for us .

NT's have a saying "remember to be kind to others when you are on the way up because
when you are on the way down, it will really matter you did this."

They should repeat it as a mantra.

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24 Feb 2010, 8:18 pm

tangerine12 wrote:

Meow101 wrote:

ursaminor wrote:

tangerine12 wrote:

Aborting down babies is one reason given for supporting abortion rights.

That seems like a horrible reason to support abortion rights.

I am pro-choice and that is most definitely NOT the reason why. I agree it's a horrible reason.

~Kate

There's a gay-activist aspie here who thinks it's no loss to abort autistic low iq, but that it is scaremongering, fearmongering to prenatally test and abort gay and lesbian embryos. Anyhow,

Medical ethicist Ronald Green argues that parents have an obligation to avoid 'genetic harm' to their offspring,[42] and Claire Rayner, then a patron of the Down's Syndrome Association, defended testing and abortion saying "The hard facts are that it is costly in terms of human effort, compassion, energy, and finite resources such as money, to care for individuals with handicaps... People who are not yet parents should ask themselves if they have the right to inflict such burdens on others, however willing they are themselves to take their share of the burden in the beginning."[43]

Who are you or I, to tell a woman she can't abort a lesbian embryo?

I appreciate the sentiment and agree with the reasoning, but there's no medical cause for homosexuality.

I think it's horrible that Down Syndrome fetuses are aborted. I know a few of these people. I see them, and they're happy and smiling. Why would we kill someone like that? The idea of aborting autistic fetuses is even more horrible. If a way to identify autism during pregnancy was found, and abortion made compulsary, I would indeed consider that genocide, just as much as if you forced abortion on all Jews.

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27 Feb 2010, 3:04 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBk0-43GIdY[/youtube]

Aspi style planning and strategy?

I don't think it will ever come to this but when NT's get the urge for a cull it might make them think of looking elsewhere, preferably not looking at all, or at least looking inside themselves for an answer instead .

They need to be cured of their culling instinct. It's a left over piece of code that is no longer required.That's all.

They really are choosing the wrong group to pick on if they do.

1/12 is quite sufficient to explain.

It would be better to do without it having to come to this.

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27 Feb 2010, 1:42 pm

tangerine12 wrote:

Meow101 wrote:

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tangerine12 wrote:

Aborting down babies is one reason given for supporting abortion rights.

That seems like a horrible reason to support abortion rights.

I am pro-choice and that is most definitely NOT the reason why. I agree it's a horrible reason.

~Kate

Any parent who would abort their child based on sexual orientation, in my opinion, has not only failed as a parent, but has failed as a human being.

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27 Feb 2010, 1:56 pm

What's this "Autism Speaks" you are speaking about ?

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27 Feb 2010, 2:52 pm

memesplice wrote:

Do they realise we probably invented everything from the original hunting trap to the first computer? ( Open close- Yes no technology has come a long way thanks to us.)

Source? Do you really think all NTs lack the imagination to design a simple hunting snare? What do we take credit for next? A sharp stick? The inclined plane?

Maybe they want to exterminate us because we're taking credit for all these great inventions we had nothing to do with.

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28 Feb 2010, 1:29 pm

I'm pro-choice, but against eugenics of any kind.

I agree that without people with Autism, technology will at the very least slow developing.

Inclined plane? Yes! Wheel? Yes! Hitting other people with sticks and rocks to kill them (especially when they don't understand them)? The NTs can keep their proper claim to that.

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01 Mar 2010, 2:53 pm

Not less than 100K from where I live is one of the many flint knapping sites in the UK.
This was a Neanderthal "camp". I've been there. It's quite a weird feeling knowing they didn't make it past that particular Evolution Day.

I don't think for one moment that this is what every NT on the planet intends for us. But it's worth remembering what they are capable of .

As a sub type they can be aggressive, and we know from experience they can lock that aggression onto those who they perceive as different to themselves, when there are only really small genetic or cultural variations.

One solution to prevent them declaring hostilities against another subtype on mass , is to have a counter threat, real or imagined. If they think we are not going to be a walk-over then they are less likely to attack. If they think we are developing a powerful cognitive weapon against which they are defenseless the chances are they will not attack us as a subtype.

Such a weapon conceivably exists. In it also exists as the possibility of a communication tool
and a base for moving the planet forward constructively and peacefully.

It's up to them. My kids ain't going in no concentration camp.

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01 Mar 2010, 3:07 pm

fidelis wrote:

tangerine12 wrote:

Meow101 wrote:

ursaminor wrote:

tangerine12 wrote:

Aborting down babies is one reason given for supporting abortion rights.

That seems like a horrible reason to support abortion rights.

I am pro-choice and that is most definitely NOT the reason why. I agree it's a horrible reason.

~Kate

Any parent who would abort their child based on sexual orientation, in my opinion, has not only failed as a parent, but has failed as a human being.

but abortion of convenience is okay?

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01 Mar 2010, 3:09 pm

fabshelly wrote:

if serial killers are genetic i'm all for aborting them

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01 Mar 2010, 3:18 pm

And you are going to ask "what exactly is this powerful cognitive "thing.""

My answer would be, in the age of new and wonderful mass communication, - "us"

If needs be. There is a way.

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01 Mar 2010, 4:23 pm

tangerine12 wrote:

fabshelly wrote:

if serial killers are genetic i'm all for aborting them

1. There is no "this person will attempt to kill numerous people" gene.

2. There's a pretty big difference between autism and serial killing.

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01 Mar 2010, 4:35 pm

Pat , I'm still thinking things through, but would you say the vast majority of Aspis don't get the killing thing. I mean we'd like to go in the army, but hate the idea of guns and would rather build hospitals with the manpower etc. We don't get the motives when it comes to causing harm because it doesn't make any sense to us. etc. It's not that we are stupid but we don't see the sense in doing obviously stupid things, which don't seem obviously stupid to large sections of the NT population who do them without thinking about what they are doing. Maybe that's why we are on the outside of the herd, looking in?

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01 Mar 2010, 5:17 pm

memesplice wrote:

I'd hesitate to say any kind of percentage just so this doesn't become an "us vs. them" type of thing. I do agree with you that some of the impairments in social understanding that we have may apply to the violent side of interactions as well.

Just remember that there are exceptions on both sides of the spectrum. For instance, I love guns (never have I felt more badass than the time I emptied a MAC-10's entire magazine in about a second and a half); I also understand the need for arms (and the whole mess that creates described by game theory). My NT mother, on the other hand, hates guns and wishes they had never been invented.

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01 Mar 2010, 9:57 pm

tangerine12 wrote:

fabshelly wrote:

if serial killers are genetic i'm all for aborting them

You reminded me of The Minority Report with Tom Cruise.

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