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Note I said: "I do have some other things I can go into with you to attempt to change your mind from being what some might call an extreme narcissistic personality disorder type least in similarity." The trigger.

I was inferring to his opposition of establishment therefore what some some might call N.P.D. Was being silly and by doing so I was saying I am kind of like what others might call N.P.D at times as well. Giving I did not explicitly say he had a disorder but was agreeing indirectly with him to go along with the persecutory stuff he clearly reacted as if I did and since I did not conform to his strict anti-establishment and anti-normal people framework I was one of the oppressors. Rejection to the rigid view seems to denote in the absents of the ability to think for oneself but only be of the collective pattern of normality per say, absents of intellect or the oppressor modality construct.

I just think balance can be derived but there is a resistance to it from him.

Of course discrimination exists in the world.

Nathan Young

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ2ZrnsDAkQ[/youtube]

Straw that broke the camel's back - not trigger. Though you already knew that I associate DSM personality categories with the medicalised suppression of dissent. You said what you did in full knowledge of this, as part of a sustained (and ultimately successful) attempt to drive me away through systematic abuse. And the "trigger" could just as easily have been any of the dozens of other offensive comments you've deliberately made in your campaign of abuse against me.

I have said a hundred times and you have never heard.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I do not have a rigid view you damned fool, and you haven't provided a good enough argument to test if it is rigid or not. You decided my view was rigid before you'd even tried to discuss with me, i.e. before you tested it (if you ever sought to). If I knew you in real-life I could list for you dozens of people who I disagree with fundamentally but do not consider closed-minded. But you wouldn't care, because for you, anyone who criticises the Sacred Will of the Majority must be rigid, narcissistic and so on. Big Brother is Always Right, Big Brother Loves Us, and anyone who denies this is rigid. HA!

YOU ARE ONE OF THE OPPRESSORS as you support police, prisons, capitalism, eugenics, etc. Don't bother denying it. I know what you think but you hide it behind a veil a tolerance. And, yes, I show resistance, unending resistance to the efforts of your ilk at domestication and "cure" of difference. RAISE THE FIST FOREVER!

/thread

Some of us do spend our time on WP ranting. Ignore them and talk to the people who make sense. Some of us are civil and interested in meaningful discussion.

This is what this thread made me think of:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItkQd675H0s&feature=fvsr[/youtube]

Someone who has been abused can manifest certain behavior as a result. My intent was to show that the rationality was not balanced nor was subjective enough for a general world-view discussion and subjective discourse. This is a breakthrough because you are revealing your personal bias and I believe can seek some help for it. This does not make you dumb, a bad person or inferior. Although you made other people feel these ways I think it's important that others experiencing this post realize the things you may have experienced. You are fighting memories and experiences projected into the general world around you.

I really encourage you to find a safe place with someone you can trust to talk about these matters with and find happiness.

Again, I wish you luck Mr. Grasshopper.

Please conclude this conversation and feel not judged by myself.

Nathan Young

A supernatural figurative. It is funny in general but not for this conversation.

Last edited by ci on 28 Jan 2011, 1:43 am, edited 3 times in total.

Arminius, thanks for your advice. Sadly the only people who responded in the thread I started were the bad ones. This will probably put me off posting again.

Ci, I don't need your “therapy”. You have not caused a “breakthrough”, fool. You have caused me to express my views more crudely and clumsily, by forcing a position of antagonism on me. I haven't revealed anything more basic. I've shown the blunt side instead of the sophisticated side because you decided to torment me until I did. You're a vile bully and your laughable attempts to induce Stockholm Syndrome in me are all the more absurd for the fact that you're doing all this online.

The fact of systemic abuse is not a projected childhood memory. The suffering going on in America's concentration camps and prisons is real. And has it occurred to you that the traumas in question might not be childhood remnants but real effects of recent actions of your statist and corporate buddies? YOU ARE CAUSING these traumas with your support for police-state atrocities.

You continue to name call and put others down, be political and say your right everyone is wrong and provide obscure antidotes to what is wrong with the world. I really had thought you were portraying personal abuses. If you were not then it was a mistake. However I don't believe making me into the abuser you perceive the world is will do any good because if someone disagrees with you then your abused by them. I don't know as I am not a therapist and asked that you go to one about this why it is I and others can abuse you by having an opinion otherwise you must get your way or your abused.

Typically police are not bad folks. My father was in the military and did police types of things for the Coast Guard. I interact with police and they buy candles from a work participant at their local police station. I'm just not getting why your so right, I'm abusing you for fundamentally disagreeing and that I am put downs for not accepting that I am abusing you for not agreeing.

In politics it's always fun to have a sense of humor. You take it so seriously that I think your causing yourself these harms. I'm not at fault for your frame of mind nor are others. I have known a few others like this online and it seems extraordinarily manipulative.

If police aren't bad when they go in, they are when they come out. Look up “cop culture”. Then look up “Zimbardo experiment”. I'm sure your father raped you as a child and to suppress memories of it you decided to identify with and love your oppressors.

Also, if you think my anger against oppressors is motivated by abuse, what about YOUR and YOUR SIDE's anger with “criminals” and other deviants? What about the hatred which makes you want to cause misery to people because they broke daddy pig's little rules?

As for being abused by your comments. The concept of verbal abuse is not some weird invention of mine. Also look up “illocutionary speech-acts”. [of course you won't because you don't actually want to understand what I'm saying, but it helps to show how intolerant you're being]. Speech can directly carry out acts, such as ranking and silencing, which are acts of violence.

You're not at fault for bringing into being the system you imagine and support? For upholding it with your words and deeds?

The police who beat people up aren't responsible for the pain of their victims?

Oh no, of course not. The oppressed are always responsible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

Aaaaaaaand we're back again to this nonsense about “because I disagree with you”. How many times have we been through this. It's not the fact that you disagree. It's the way you argue and the aggression with which you dismiss ideas you dislike.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

You got this mentality that those who do not agree with your view point are the oppressors. Yes police abuse exists and is punished and when it does not of course it's an injustice. Yet if your not a victim and still think these things it's hard to know why the rigidity which you reject you have. If you do say what I believe is nonsense and you think I say nonsense and are a victim of me and I am a victim of you now what?

You say things like I and others are closed minded then delete the posts and say I am not closed minded and did not say it. This conversation is not productive and is not going anywhere. I started out with rednecks and hippie jokes along with political videos to try and figure out where you were coming from. However it seems you are from another country and you perceive my country is bad and that you are supporting what seems to be an overt point of view to derive mistrust in me toward certain minority groups in my country? You see your views are expressed a certain way you seem like a tea party person but an extreme one trying to incite false beliefs in me and others? This is just a guess.

What do you think about Obama?

1) it's not rigidity, it's disagreeing with your view (which you choose to term rigidity)
2) I disagree with your view based on extensive empirical evidence
3) unlike you, I'm not a sociopath/authoritarian and I actually care about victims of police-state atrocities.

You know, the SS weren't all bad, Himmler even listened to Mozart.



I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU REJECT MY VIEWS WITHOUT BASIS.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU TAKE MAJORITY BELIEF AS A CRITERION OF TRUTH.
I THINK YOU ARE CLOSED-MINDED BECAUSE YOU SILENCE ARGUMENTS WITH FALLACIES AND RIDICULE.

"1) it's not rigidity, it's disagreeing with your view (which you choose to term rigidity)
2) I disagree with your view based on extensive empirical evidence
3) unlike you, I'm not a sociopath/authoritarian and I actually care about victims of police-state atrocities. "

According to the normal folks of authority I have no mental illness. That does not make people that do bad people. I good healthy ability to be assertive and surprising is encouraged by professionals where I live that have to do with autism. It's part of human rights. However as much as I am rigid you are as well. That means we both have points of view and to me your talking about allot of obscure things and assuming into them with rigid points of view resulting from a lack of subjectivity.

You just gave me a mental illness for not agreeing with you but it was not a silly Mr. Grasshopper.

To me politics on both sides are filled full of nonsense and craziness. I don't like it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IGmbd3PDA4[/youtube]

I want a moderator to delete the thread, I thought deleting the posts might achieve this. I can't believe you don't keep a backup of threads you contribute to. It happened roundabout the same time I stopped trying to argue rationally with you.



Indeed, and you're keeping it going pointlessly. As I say, I just want it got rid of right now.



That's what you did wrong. If you wanted to know where I was coming from, you just had to read the frigging argument.

If it helps, I've taken the political compass test and come out in the bottom left corner. I'm strongly anti-authoritarian and anti-capitalist.

I don't have a special issue with America, but I think Americans tend to be starry-eyed about it. Since the people I'm arguing with are Americans, I therefore concentrate on exposing American atrocities. If I was arguing with Russians, I'd focus on Russian atrocities, if Chinese, then on Chinese atrocities, and so on.



There is one capitalist system. Let us suppose it has two or three variant perspectives (which is very generous, it's basically one ideology). There are in addition, several dozen varieties of Marxism, at least a dozen varieties of anarchism, at least a dozen varieties of ecology, at least six major world religions, several thousand indigenous cosmologies, at least a dozen major schools of sociological theory, around 100 major critical theorists with their own schools of thought, etc. Out of this plethora of belief-systems, you claim I am rigid because I reject two or three of the thousands. These are belief-systems to which I have been exposed constantly, so it's not like I'm unfamiliar with the grounds for them. I reject them having reviewed much evidence for and against them, and concluded that something in the field of the remaining several thousand perspectives is right. I remain open to a great many of the remaining perspectives. But this for you makes me rigid. The only perspectives which count for you in determining whether someone is rigid are these two or three perspectives.

On the other hand, you think you are open-minded between the two or three variant forms of capitalism I reject, and reject out of hand the thousands of options to which I am open. This for you makes you open-minded.

Might I suggest you post in the political forum then please and or find a specialty discussion place online for your specific focuses. You talked about autism and N.T stuff here and then added regular politics. You approach was confusing from the get go.

My approach was confusing = WRONG

You lack the (fairly basic) conceptual apparatus to make sense of what I was saying, and were too lazy to look it up and too arrogant to ask = RIGHT

Ok I agree with you.

Have a good day and night!