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01 Mar 2011, 10:20 am

I'm against vaccinating provided the following criteria are met:
1 There is clear evidence of an immunological problem CVID and other such things
2 allergies to vaccine ingredients
3 suspected mitochondrial disorder

For most of the population vaccinations are safe and effective. Unless there are problems like above there is no reason not to get vaccinated. Now that said I do not vaccinate myself or my kids. However I have a suppressed immune system that does not work. My daughter has had several yeast infections in her short life which is cause to suspect that she may be immune suppressed also. My son who has Autism also is allergic to 8-9 different foods and I think he also has immune issues on top of his Autism. My daughter received no live vaccines. Did the vaccines cause Autism I don't honestly know but I do know that the immunological problems prevent us from being vaccinated.

I don't think a newborn baby should be vaccinated with as many vaccines as they currently give(surely they could space them out more and do basic allergy and immunological testing in those with a family history of problems) It's not unreasonable to be suspicious of them injecting 5-8 different viruses into your kid at once. They don't have to do it that way they could space them out and still have children be fully vaccinated. Also I'm rather suspicious of the FDA the stuff they claim is safe has a tendency to be recalled.

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01 Mar 2011, 11:50 am

Can someone please lock this thread? Its turned into just annoying arguments and frustration on all parts.

And DandelionFireworks, hes a total troll!

For one his name is vaccineskill, which is honestly a dead giveaway. He hasn't posted anywhere else on this site. He joined JUST to spread his batshit crazy talk. And he just messaged about the polio vaccine and tried to bait me saying how immature and closed minded I am to not look up stuff on the internet. Which means hes a troll. It doesn't matter if he believes it, just that hes spamming others with his message.

Again can someone lock this thread?

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01 Mar 2011, 3:15 pm

Apparently, you have all been very lucky and never run into anyone else who believes this. He HONESTLY THINKS that "it's the vaccines, you need to chelate" is the ONLY THING (and thus the most important thing) that anyone needs to know about autism. He believes it and he's not alone and you people are breaking my brain with your insane and unjustified faith in humanity. Yes it IS totally possible for him to think this and yes it DOES make total sense for him to only come on here and talk about it.

But you know what? You're right. This thread needs locked because it's turning into a vile and degenerate stew of hate and STUPID arguments that are not the best that EITHER side can bring to bear.

To everyone on this thread, you shame those in both camps.

Unless the people on this thread learn a modicum of civility, I'm not going to participate in this discussion anymore. You have to be responsible for your own actions.

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01 Mar 2011, 7:03 pm

I get the feeling DandelionFireworks knows vaccineskill in real life.

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01 Mar 2011, 8:24 pm

cave_canem wrote:

I get the feeling DandelionFireworks knows vaccineskill in real life.

I don't know for certain who this person is, but I know and have known people who could easily be vaccineskill. I rather doubt that vaccineskill is anyone I know, though, because of sheer probability: there are way more people who think this way than I even know exist, so since there are more that I don't know than that I do, chances are it's one of them.

But all of the other utterly crazy anti-vaxers I know have been good people, as unlikely as that may sound.

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09 Mar 2011, 5:55 am

Penn and Tellar hahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahhahhahahhahhahaha
I found out about As because I had a fling with the whole vac debate maybe the only good thing to come out of it

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13 Apr 2011, 6:40 am

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Where did these diseases come from? You have the people in charge who created these diseases. Then at the same time they created a vaccine for it. What they are doing, which no one seems to get, is putting a time limit on your life. Clue in. They made the diseases to keep population under control and then they made the vaccines which will limit life and keep the population under control as well. The people at the top of the world, the people who control the world, create the problem and they offer the solution as well. Either way they trap you, unless.....you know how to work around them :-)

So f**k YOU Penn and teller :-)

but nice puppets you make.

autism isn't a disease. it is a genetic condition (just like alcoholism). it has absolutely nothing to do with vaccines. vaccines keep people healthy and save lives. for example, whooping cough, if not vaccinated against, is an instant death sentence.

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13 Apr 2011, 9:33 pm

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13 Apr 2011, 10:36 pm

Autism doesn't kill people. Therefore, using vaccines to spread autism, even if possible, would do nothing for overpopulation problems.

Furthermore, the side effects of autism include laser-focus, more rational thinking, and more individualist thinking. While many autistics also suffer debilitating side effects, some don't. Some get the benefits but suffer much smaller negative side effects. If the number of autistics jumps, the odds of an autistic being born who thinks individualistically and whose special interest just so happens to involve tearing your power base to shreds also increases(example: Someone on here has a special interest in cults, and given the right resources, s/he could prove very dangerous to cult leaders). And the people in power will not know about this person until after they've already started mobilizing manpower and resources against them. The vast majority of autistics are not a threat to the people in power due to our poor social skills, but it only takes one to seriously threaten the establishment. You don't want to increase the odds that the one person who can and will destroy your power base will be born in your lifetime.

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13 Apr 2011, 11:26 pm

Troll or not, anti-vaxers don't deserve any respect they deserve their threads to get hate-filled. Because they promoting anti-vax BS, whether to troll, to feel smarty or to gain economical advantage through selling alt-med causes a disservice to mankind. They lost all entitlement to tolerance from other people when they decided to spread diseases.

I am very disappointed at the moderators in WP.net. A guy using the nickname "vaccineskill" to spam anti-vax propaganda and nothing more in a site, is clear indication of at least spaming. Although to be honest he was a rather obvious troll. Threads made by trolls should be deleted and the troll banned, but apparently, that wasn't the case. It does not help that this specific troll got help from some members which for some reason tried to give him legitimacy which is lame. Specially in WP.net, considering how the specific anti-vax BS in use is a one that is rather hateful of autism and spreads autism misinformation and scaremongering as part of keeping people away of vaccines (and close to fraudulent methods such as homeopathy and chelation therapy).

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It's not unreasonable to be suspicious of them injecting 5-8 different viruses into your kid at once.

It is 5-8 vaccines.

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I don't think a newborn baby should be vaccinated with as many vaccines as they currently give(surely they could space them out more and do basic allergy and immunological testing in those with a family history of problems)

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They don't have to do it that way they could space them out and still have children be fully vaccinated.

What's your reasoning to think they don't have to do it?

Sorry, but I have learned to be as wary of the 'too many too soon' mantra as all other antivax claims.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=289

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No matter how you slice it, the vaccine schedule represents a miniscule exposure to antigens and organims compared to what people encounter as part of life. Worrying about the exposure from the vaccine schedule is like worrying about a thimble of water getting you wet when you are swimming in an ocean.

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Also I'm rather suspicious of the FDA the stuff they claim is safe has a tendency to be recalled.

In total, how many things do the FDA claim are safe in a time span of 5 years? Of them, how many are recalled?

Would you rather them not recall things once new information is found?

Regarding your criteria about being against vaccinating when there are immunologic deficiencies or allergies, well,... MDs agree with that ...

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14 Apr 2011, 5:42 am

Vexcalibur wrote:

When you ban-hammer or counter troll, you give them the moral high ground and set a dangerous precedent. It's very important that we don't censor or mistreat those with stupid ideas. Why? Because popular public opinion, even backed up by science, is not infallible. Mistakes occur, governments lie, s**t happens, and we need whistle blowers to feel free to whistle blow. So when there is non-sense about Vaccines, or Birth Certificates, just prove them wrong and move on.

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14 Apr 2011, 6:23 am

ducky9924 wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

When you ban-hammer or counter troll, you give them the moral high ground and set a dangerous precedent. It's very important that we don't censor or mistreat those with stupid ideas. Why? Because popular public opinion, even backed up by science, is not infallible. Mistakes occur, governments lie, sh** happens, and we need whistle blowers to feel free to whistle blow. So when there is non-sense about Vaccines, or Birth Certificates, just prove them wrong and move on.

I'd say that "moral high ground" applies more to the public arena, where the only rules governing speech are the First Amendment (simplified somewhat, but you get my point). This forum isn't the same; it has clear and distinct rules.

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14 Apr 2011, 8:56 am

I've heard this story years ago about the MMR jab giving people Aspergers...it's entirely false.

How can a vaccine change the way your brain works? It happened when you were in the womb!

I got to say, the OP's name and thread title says it all.

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14 Apr 2011, 1:41 pm

ok I read the entire thread

first off Vaccines do saves lifes to prevent Smallpox, mesals, etc. and prevent sufferning. The vaccines have to contain some of the virus but it is weak to make it easy for the bodies immune system to take it over and get in a way the definition of the Virus so that when the full done comes into play.

Second the Anti-vaccine people with there kids are at very high risk for the diseases that vaccines stop like Smallpox and other diseases like that

Third the doctor would most likey know if the child has a allergy to the vaccines but there are sometimes hidden allergy that know one knows about because the child does not show any food or enviroment allergies.

I have had chicken pox about 2-3 times in my life the first one was the strongest then after that they were not as strong because the first time the immune system got the definition of the virus. I was born in 86 and I was vaccinated but I believe my Autism is from a genetic factor because if vaccines were designed to cause Autism then my 2 younger brother and sister and 2 older sisters would have Autism. I believe you are Born with Autism and not cause by vaccines. I am not allergic to any food or eviromen factor but found out and didn't know I was allergic the the chemical that they use for the catscans that they inject into you because I coughed 5 times when then throwup and I aimed it at the doctors lol :lol:

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14 Apr 2011, 5:21 pm

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GO Read state department memorandum 200 by Henry Kissinger. He specifically says they need to introduce fertility reducing drugs into the vaccines in order to quell population.
GO READ John P. Holdren the official U.S. science czar, in his book ECOSCIENCE talking about a 1 world government where food and vaccines are used as weapons.
This is part of an official government policy. They purposely put thimerasol and other EXTREMELY toxic, adjuvants and other chemicals. in the vaccines. that THEY know from every study, causes an auto immune response that just absolutely fries your brain.
over the last 50 years we've seent he autism rate go from about 1 in every 2000. to now its 1 in 154 in boys.
Most of these kids were fine and would have lived healthy lives until their brainwashed parents who never question anything their told, have these criminal doctors inject this poison into the poor innocent little kid. JUST READ WHATS IN THE VACCINE THEN GOOGLE THE NAMES OF THE CHEMICALS. you will see how dangerous these are.
And when you take into consideration these kids are getting 5-10 vaccines all at once, non of which a single study has ever been done as to the combined effects.
You have been chemically ravaged by an offshore corporate elitist group of globalist, eugenicists. Who believe it is there duty to control human population through the use of soft kill weapons in the vaccines, as well as food and water. Look at all the toxic food additives the FDA has made legal, look at all the foods with endocrine disrupting properties the FDA legalizes.
When you add all these factors together it equals soft kill depopulation program. GO DO SOME RESEARCH.

I do not believe in philosophical or religious exemptions, and I do not think you should even get into a school, an airplane, or a doctor's office without getting all of the ones you need at the time. But this person is obviously a troll so I am making another statement to the entire forum:

Anti-vaccine people are a cancer to society, putting numerous children at risk because of fearmongering, falsified data, fraud, and downright exploitation of children with their "treatments," which is apparently everything under the sun. Before you say anything to me, you should go to Africa where all those children died from polio because their leaders said it was a plague from the white man or something like that. Go to some parents who have a child with leukemia, because they impede on your "intuition" and want everyone vaccinated as well. Ask people whose children have died from one of these preventable diseases if they would vaccinate the next time. What about the parents who child got sickened or killed by one of these before having a chance to get vaccinated? Do not even talk to me; anti-vaccine people always say these things when they are not around the people who would be hurt by their speech the most. If you are against vaccines, grow some and talk to them personally.

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14 Apr 2011, 5:30 pm

DandelionFireworks wrote:

Vexcalibur, do you realize you're calling for someone to be entirely banned from this site for having an opinion you don't agree with?? Seriously, we don't ban people for being stupid.

This is different. Screaming blatantly false facts to incite a response is not protected by me, and BELIEVE ME, I know something about what you said. :wink:

That was a double wink for you people here :lol:

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