aspies are people from future or Complete evolution?
An hypothesis must be testable, and since he said it was just a fantasy, it can not be testable, so it is not an hypothesis.
Get real.
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The op has made it clear that his hypothesis is not a scientific one. It is only a proposed explanation for a phenomeon, based on his imagination. I don't think that anyone is suggesting that we can test it, at this time, using the scientific method.
We wouldn't have science, without what seems to be our unique ability to imagine; we would probably see the world the same way all other animals do, flat. Many ideas or hypotheses generated by imagination are worth considering.
A good example is people who state that they can feel actual touch on their arm when seeing someone else being touched. The person that experienced that phenomenon might consider it just their imagination or try to come up with an hypotheses as to what might cause it, although it might not be testable.
Now, we have the ability to measure the phenomenon with brain scans associated with mirror neurons. So, now it is a scientific hypothesis that mirror neurons are behind this phenomenon.
Five years ago if someone came to this same forum and stated they could actually feel someone touching their arm when they saw someone else's arm being touched and it was because they had a special ability to feel connections with people that others don't, some would have probably rolled their eyes and some might have pursued the untestable hypothesis further. Imagination keeps Science rolling ahead.
On the other hand, dispute allows us an opportunity to consider what is the best direction to roll in.
you are very smart!thanks.
there is a movie about the science and religion topic called "the man from earth"
"The Man from Earth" trailer
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I could say much about Fnord's rudeness but I grudgingly accept his academic rigour in some cases. His perspective is a useful reality check on what is posted here. Having said that I doubt he gets invited to many of his student;s dinner parties.
you have a hard-won open mind,i agree with you!his academic rigour in some cases may useful.
People here seem to be taking the OP's message either too literally, or are focusing on the wrong things. While I'm not particularly a fan of the "time-travelling" bit, denying outright that Aspergers could be the next step in human evolution is just plain ignorant in my opinion.
I share the viewpoint that myself and many here are simply born "before our time", making us unfit for this current world. However, I've seen so much advancement in only my short life of 20 years. The more technology advances, the less people need a physical body. Already, I see so many people existing more in virtual worlds(online videogames mostly,but the internet in general) than they do in the physical reality all around us.
I would imagine that people have been born within the Autism spectrum for as long as humanity have recorded history, but those individuals were usually never successful because of the limits of their era, so they usually died out. The past simply didn't have need of people who live more inside their mind than in the physical world. But now you see people with Aspergers popping up everywhere, because the world is finally becoming something that we can prosper in.
Honestly, it's much harder for me to imagine a future where NTs still dominate the world. Like it or not, our very world is beginning to rapidly change through the development of technology, and Aspies are the prime candidate to Inhabit this "new world". If this doesn't scream evolution to you, then please disclose to me your location so that I might come beat you with a petri dish ^_^
I could say much about Fnord's rudeness but I grudgingly accept his academic rigour in some cases. His perspective is a useful reality check on what is posted here. Having said that I doubt he gets invited to many of his student;s dinner parties.
Fnord is a gifted individual, I enjoy his posts. The kind of gifted he presents is easy for me to understand, but the emotional, intuitive, creative, type of gifted is much harder for me to understand, inherently, so I have taken the time to research it and understand it the only way I've been able to most of my life, by reading about it.
I cruised through school, three college degrees, but wanted to be able to understand what this magic was behind those that could create original art, music, song, and literature.
I could play the piano, but could create nothing of my own, until much later in my life. I could sing with a group but without the guide of other voices, I was lost. I could create art by copying other images, but without the images there was not anything of significance, my literature was only that of facts.
In my mid forties, I suddenly gained the ability to create my own music; I found it fueled by discontent, not sure where it came from, but I finally understood what this magic was that people had other than me. I felt more human than I ever did before.
Every once in a while someone comes to the forum, presenting that flame of creativity, emotional/intuitive based opinion, or whatever it may be called. After experiencing it once in my lifetime, it is definitely a place worth exploring.
Rational and Emotional Intelligence are of equal value, but a mix is probably the best of all scenarios. Maybe that's what Neurotypical is, simply a balance of Emotional and Analytical Intelligence.
John Nash, the individual from the movie a "Beautiful mind' was an extreme systemizer, with an extremely low level of emotional intelligence. Questions remain whether or not he had a combination of Aspergers and Schizophrenia. Much later in his life, when he finally rationally understood that he did not include the variable of emotion in his "Social Game Theory", he realized it was flawed.
It is evident that some of have more of the mix than others. Many people told me my brain worked like a computer through the course of my life, it was an interesting experience when the hardware came alive.
I could say much about Fnord's rudeness but I grudgingly accept his academic rigour in some cases. His perspective is a useful reality check on what is posted here. Having said that I doubt he gets invited to many of his student;s dinner parties.
Only when they want a better grade than the one I gave them.
What you call "rudeness", I call "being direct". By sticking to my "academic rigour", I am the one that determines what needs to be done, and then I do it. Meanwhile, others are still debating the various "what ifs" of the situation, or trying to change the definition of the situation to fit their favorite philosophy.
Debates and philosophies do not impose progress, so they are useless in the practical sense. Only those who understand the natural order and act make progress - "People who do things get things done", goes the tautology.
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Sounds horrible!
Null concept.
You must really enjoy the Science-Fiction or Fantasy genres, right?
Even if the physical principles will have changed in the far distant future, our current physical principles (Causality and Thermodynamics) would still prohibit retrograde time travel, whether departing or arriving.
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Good to see you have a sense of humor.
I accept your reasoning and the underlying logic. However WP is a public forum where there are expectations that one conducts them self in line with social norms. When you dismiss other people's posts as irrelevant you are not maintaining the social decorum expected from an adult. Do you do this to people directly to their face?
We are humans not robots. We are programmed to respond by our individual personality and upbringing. We carry our situation based experiences into our thinking. In order to avoid confirmation bias or false correlation we discuss and share ideas with others to clarify thoughts in our heads but also to educate others.
I share the viewpoint that myself and many here are simply born "before our time", making us unfit for this current world. However, I've seen so much advancement in only my short life of 20 years. The more technology advances, the less people need a physical body. Already, I see so many people existing more in virtual worlds(online videogames mostly,but the internet in general) than they do in the physical reality all around us.
I would imagine that people have been born within the Autism spectrum for as long as humanity have recorded history, but those individuals were usually never successful because of the limits of their era, so they usually died out. The past simply didn't have need of people who live more inside their mind than in the physical world. But now you see people with Aspergers popping up everywhere, because the world is finally becoming something that we can prosper in.
Honestly, it's much harder for me to imagine a future where NTs still dominate the world. Like it or not, our very world is beginning to rapidly change through the development of technology, and Aspies are the prime candidate to Inhabit this "new world". If this doesn't scream evolution to you, then please disclose to me your location so that I might come beat you with a petri dish ^_^
it must be a miserable lifetime to aspergers in the past long history.
future must be aspergers' culture
In my mid forties, I suddenly gained the ability to create my own music; I found it fueled by discontent, not sure where it came from, but I finally understood what this magic was that people had other than me. I felt more human than I ever did before.
thanks for sharing.
people are blocking in our way of creation.
i'm 23,my experience is that if i change myself because of politeness or dont make my family sad or afraid being myself i will lose my imagination and other brain functions,not to mention about creation,so i cut off my most friendships to being alone ,to create some fictions.maybe someday when i can handle people which has no limit in my creation i will build relationships with people(new people).and i hope so.
Well, I think aspies are the most human of humans.Aspie genes were useful to create humanity's greatness.It still is useful in our modern era.Aspies are more human because they have adapted many rituals,logic, and a status I.E. If someone is interested in seeing so thefore they are tailors.This may sound stupid.
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