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22 Jun 2011, 3:46 pm

We are not superior to anyone. To believe that is to delude oneself. I don't WANT Autism. I am NOT superior to anyone. I know many NTs who are WAY better people than some Aspies. Instead of trying to convince people we are better than them which I repeat, WE ARE NOT, we need to help them understand us. Advocate for ourselves and others with our condition.


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22 Jun 2011, 6:53 pm

I was checking out the aspie 48 autistic supremacy website and I am reminded that Bosses constantly fire and discriminate against autistic workers because they are considered either ret*ds or at the very least slow learners that are not worth any training resources. I used to dismiss these Bosses as ignorant but there is an element of truth to what they say. However what the Bosses fail to realize is that it is not the speed of the computer that makes a computer smart but rather the amount of interconnections of the artificial neural net.

Autistics like super computers may not be the fastest thinkers but they have the most interconnections therefore they ultimately have the genius powers needed for new inventions.



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22 Jun 2011, 7:33 pm

This pride stuff is not new. It's the type of people that will tell you that you just want pity when you say the truth and want to keep you silent from expressing the disability aspects. It's the same kind of pride that for abortion politics will say nothing is wrong or it's simply a difference for the sake of their agenda. It's the same kind of pride that puts limitations on already limited options for people with disabilities with social peer pressure that demeans compassion and compassionate adaptations. They seek to make people feel inferior and most of them that are the "leaders" who control the pride organizations like ASAN are highly functioning people with full college careers and a quite normal life ahead of them. They really care more about their self-image of autism and their conflict of interest agenda's to even bother with focusing to much on change that really helps people who are left out. They make the motions on issues for those more disabled then them but I think it's just a front for their political game and they should expect that they have to earn my and others trust and not demand it.

ASAN is a special interest organization utilizing abortion politics to instill fear to gain artificial respect. Meanwhile serving the top end desires of the very high functioning with their politics to hand out jobs to those that are already included. In fact in one of their protest videos one of the vocal protesters calling compassionate people bigots and of pity stated about cure that is should not be her burden (higher functioning pay taxes as well). I think they are college students using their very mild form of autism to try to avoid paying for treatment services and advancements for those most in need and have "sold out" in a self-serving way. I think it's time that common sense leads and in saying so autism is a disability and the more you have of it the more disabled. It is rightful for individuals who are substantially disabled to lead and that these kinds of leaderships enable the free expression with emotional protection from agenda manipulations who target our self-esteems for their pride and as well as serve the best interest such as inclusion of those less likely be be included with unique public relations unlike the leadership of those who are already included and have some kind of very mild form of autism.


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22 Jun 2011, 8:13 pm

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I was checking out the aspie 48 autistic supremacy website and I am reminded that Bosses constantly fire and discriminate against autistic workers because they are considered either ret*ds or at the very least slow learners that are not worth any training resources. I used to dismiss these Bosses as ignorant but there is an element of truth to what they say. However what the Bosses fail to realize is that it is not the speed of the computer that makes a computer smart but rather the amount of interconnections of the artificial neural net.

Autistics like super computers may not be the fastest thinkers but they have the most interconnections therefore they ultimately have the genius powers needed for new inventions.

gosh i would agree with you there. did you check out the recommended jobs article? i should add your thought in there.



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22 Jun 2011, 9:31 pm

Yes Some people in the position of authority just do not understand. That is part of my job to bridge the gap between these kinds of people and the hope of inclusion. One video store owner told a local president of a local inclusion agency people with autism were not able to file away movie videos. I had the opportunity to use it as an example in the media but I didn't. There are better ways then creating a public relations scene or thinking all potential bosses are like that.


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23 Jun 2011, 3:31 am

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draelynn wrote:
And how do you plan to overcome the 90 some % of neurotypicals?

well i am thinking of having a small elite of autistic people who support the rest of the autistic people. I think the population would grow quickly if autistic people got more successful families. and remember it really only takes a minority to rule a majority.


Good idea!



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23 Jun 2011, 3:41 am

The tact used tends to create resentment and hard feelings. It seems to be vindictive as others are claimed to be the Nazi's. I could not imagine living life seeking revenge upon others who simply would not even know why I'm angry and if they were to become aware would likely be shocked and off-put by the whole premise.

I am very concerned that others seem to be so whole heartily oppositional to so called normalcy they imagine going to such distance to evoke "control" upon that which they feel either when applicable controls or limits them. Sensibility doesn't bother with this it avoids it. It simply is regrettable others take it so seriously that real change created with persistent hope in possibilities is not incited over this conspiracy and grander that leads many times to more anger and dead-ends in change making.


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23 Jun 2011, 8:24 am

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The tact used tends to create resentment and hard feelings. It seems to be vindictive as others are claimed to be the Nazi's. I could not imagine living life seeking revenge upon others who simply would not even know why I'm angry and if they were to become aware would likely be shocked and off-put by the whole premise.

I am very concerned that others seem to be so whole heartily oppositional to so called normalcy they imagine going to such distance to evoke "control" upon that which they feel either when applicable controls or limits them. Sensibility doesn't bother with this it avoids it. It simply is regrettable others take it so seriously that real change created with persistent hope in possibilities is not incited over this conspiracy and grander that leads many times to more anger and dead-ends in change making.


Can you please edit your posts so that they do not appear a random collection of long words.

I know you are trying to make it appear that you are clever but it is giving the opposite impression and reading your posts makes my eyes bleed!



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23 Jun 2011, 9:19 am

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The tact used tends to create resentment and hard feelings. It seems to be vindictive as others are claimed to be the Nazi's. I could not imagine living life seeking revenge upon others who simply would not even know why I'm angry and if they were to become aware would likely be shocked and off-put by the whole premise.

I am very concerned that others seem to be so whole heartily oppositional to so called normalcy they imagine going to such distance to evoke "control" upon that which they feel either when applicable controls or limits them. Sensibility doesn't bother with this it avoids it. It simply is regrettable others take it so seriously that real change created with persistent hope in possibilities is not incited over this conspiracy and grander that leads many times to more anger and dead-ends in change making.

well it's how most NTs appear to me. i figure i would be doing the same thing as everybody else, maybe that doesn't make me right, but i don't need to be right i need to live. A lot of autistic people have trouble have trouble living because they concentrate on being right, kind, sensible. We only need to be kind to each other, helpful to each other. I think that helping NTs is a very unrewarding experiance, they will always slap you back. When you just learn to benefit your friends family and close followers you become successful. Then you have the power to determine what is right.



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23 Jun 2011, 10:09 am

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Can you please edit your posts so that they do not appear a random collection of long words.

I know you are trying to make it appear that you are clever but it is giving the opposite impression and reading your posts makes my eyes bleed!


Wow, you certainly changed your writing style in a radical manner! :lol:


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23 Jun 2011, 12:42 pm

Fight fire with fire? Are you serious? How often does that sort of thinking achieve good long term results?

So you want to fight hate with hate.
Maybe if you took the time to use your aspie brain, which is supposed to be smart, you would see
that the problem here is not hate, but ignorance.

And you don't fight ignorance with hate - You fight it by spreading knowledge.
Sure there are those NTs who are truly hateful. But they are a minority.
If you intend to open people's eyes, you should start by opening your own.



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23 Jun 2011, 12:57 pm

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And you don't fight ignorance with hate - You fight it by spreading knowledge.
Sure there are those NTs who are truly hateful. But they are a minority.
If you intend to open people's eyes, you should start by opening your own.


Couldn't have said it better myself. By implying that we are superior, you are going to fuel hatered towards people with AS. Education is the key.


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23 Jun 2011, 1:56 pm

MetalSymphony wrote:
Fight fire with fire? Are you serious? How often does that sort of thinking achieve good long term results?

So you want to fight hate with hate.
Maybe if you took the time to use your aspie brain, which is supposed to be smart, you would see
that the problem here is not hate, but ignorance.

And you don't fight ignorance with hate - You fight it by spreading knowledge.
Sure there are those NTs who are truly hateful. But they are a minority.
If you intend to open people's eyes, you should start by opening your own.

+1


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23 Jun 2011, 2:57 pm

MetalSymphony wrote:
Fight fire with fire? Are you serious? How often does that sort of thinking achieve good long term results?

So you want to fight hate with hate.
Maybe if you took the time to use your aspie brain, which is supposed to be smart, you would see
that the problem here is not hate, but ignorance.

And you don't fight ignorance with hate - You fight it by spreading knowledge.
Sure there are those NTs who are truly hateful. But they are a minority.
If you intend to open people's eyes, you should start by opening your own.

Well I ask you the question of how do you think you will become successful with your attitude.



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23 Jun 2011, 3:30 pm

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Well I ask you the question of how do you think you will become successful with your attitude.

You've got the answer to that in my first post. Read it again.



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23 Jun 2011, 7:29 pm

For years neurotypicals have tried to sell us on the idea that we are a bunch of borderline ret*ds and that we should be satisfied with the temporary menial jobs that they give us. Now when the autistic fights back and declares that autism is not mental retardation but rather the path to finding ones genius suddenly the neurotypical becomes so resentful that an autistic dares to think of himself as a brilliant genius that the neurotypical doubles up on their effort to find every fault of the autistic in order to humiliate and insult the autistic.