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19 Jun 2011, 2:42 am

Turning a blind eye to bullying is a silent reward for bullies. It also basically means that our society loves bullies. Survival of the fittest.

Target the meek children. Bully them. Keep them separated. Isolate them.

When those bullies grow up, they teach their children to do the same. Those children get rewards. The child that was picked on does not.



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19 Jun 2011, 8:56 am

Basically when a boss or teacher tvrns a blind eye to a bvlly it is becavse they believe that the avtistic deserves to be pvnished so the teacher or boss lets the bvlly do the dirty work.



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19 Jun 2011, 12:09 pm

I think bulling needs to be define in context. The reason I say so is it can be overused. I know of a person with substantial hearing impairment that was pushed around at work. Employees pointed out his hearing disability and felt like he just didn't want to hear him. On the other hand if we say something is bullying when it is not to what extent is the bullying classification being used if when applicable when it is not bullying? Can someone call someone a bully just to get their way. What happens if when the bullied individual becomes a bully and so on.


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19 Jun 2011, 1:42 pm

Well that is the problem. There was a partially deaf person on the job who drove the boss crazy because he always had an excuse for not following the bosses directions. So the Boss yelled at him and told him not to play stupid.



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19 Jun 2011, 4:49 pm

Heh. 8O

A person that is deaf started with my company today to help me do R&D, production oversight + management and to drive me around.


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24 Jun 2011, 11:01 am

ci wrote:
Heh. 8O

A person that is deaf started with my company today to help me do R&D, production oversight + management and to drive me around.


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02 Jul 2011, 9:54 pm

I don't think enough is being done to stop bullying and harassment, especially when it takes place over the internet.

There are even forums which delight in attacking and outing people with Aspergers. Someone did that to me- posted my full name, address, map to my house, impersonated me and put words in my mouth (racist terms and other out of character things I'd never say)- all in the spirit of "mocking". That's not mocking. That's defamation and it's terrifying to the mark who doesn't know what is going on, how long it will go on, or how deep it will go.

After attempting to contact Google to report abuse of their search engine, they flat-out refused to help, after which I went to the local police station. They also said they couldn't help me. Worse, they said that anyone who re-posts defamatory content has IMMUNITY!

There are anti-harassment laws in the state of Oregon, and anti-bullying laws regarding the harassment of people with disabilities, and yet nothing is being done about my situation.

I think, at the very least, the internet needs a police force, especially now that social networking is so integrated in peoples' personal and professional lives. I'm tired of hearing about someone who committed suicide because no one would help them when they were being bullied on the internet. Some think it's a joke, but it's scary when you're being stalked by people you don't know, and the only reason given by these people is that "we hate Sperg tards". And that's another thing- we're not stupid, just different cognitively. How exactly does that make someone with Aspergers "ret*d"? Stop the hate... Seriously. No more deaths.



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02 Jul 2011, 10:20 pm

Pram wrote:
I don't think enough is being done to stop bullying and harassment, especially when it takes place over the internet.

There are even forums which delight in attacking and outing people with Aspergers. Someone did that to me- posted my full name, address, map to my house, impersonated me and put words in my mouth (racist terms and other out of character things I'd never say)- all in the spirit of "mocking". That's not mocking. That's defamation and it's terrifying to the mark who doesn't know what is going on, how long it will go on, or how deep it will go.

After attempting to contact Google to report abuse of their search engine, they flat-out refused to help, after which I went to the local police station. They also said they couldn't help me. Worse, they said that anyone who re-posts defamatory content has IMMUNITY!

There are anti-harassment laws in the state of Oregon, and anti-bullying laws regarding the harassment of people with disabilities, and yet nothing is being done about my situation.

I think, at the very least, the internet needs a police force, especially now that social networking is so integrated in peoples' personal and professional lives. I'm tired of hearing about someone who committed suicide because no one would help them when they were being bullied on the internet. Some think it's a joke, but it's scary when you're being stalked by people you don't know, and the only reason given by these people is that "we hate Sperg tards". And that's another thing- we're not stupid, just different cognitively. How exactly does that make someone with Aspergers "ret*d"? Stop the hate... Seriously. No more deaths.


I think that kind of stuff definatly goes beyond the limits of what most people see as cyber bullying....I mean actually stalking someone and attacking them like that is not quite the same as some person on the internet making a rude comment thats not meant to be taken that seriously. So yeah what you just described does need to be stopped(i don't know how much of a problem it is, I mean I remember on the myspace forums there where some wannabes who never did any real harm other then making those forums suck for me.....and even that I would say is pushing the limits of what you should to on the internet.



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03 Jul 2011, 12:16 pm

It's not punished, for some reason. In fact, the damage is already done...Possibly forever, given the long shelf life of internet information. Even after leaving the site, the nasty threads still show up at the top of the search under my real name, band name, art stuff, animation stuff... and employers can see all of it. Whether they will take it seriously or not is another aspect... But what if they did? Not good, all around. In my field, it's so important to be able to get along with other people. It's just as important if not more so than having the talent to back up your reel.

I'm just glad that I never treated anyone like that. Even when I was insulting someone, I respected the line between playfulness and brutality. At times, I've offended someone without even meaning to and they refused the apology, and that was that. So, it's a very unforgiving atmosphere, in that business. The phrase, "you'll never work in this town again" rings true. Problem is, it's hard to distinguish between what I said and what someone impersonating me wrote while trying to ruin my reputation (which is otherwise positive). Despite there having been no physical interaction with these people doesn't matter to me...This kind of thing does mental damage and I already have anxiety through the roof from working at night with the general public... Something only caffeine and sugar have allowed me to do without going completely to pieces...It's...yeah. All this stuff should be labeled, outlawed, and filed as criminal offenses. I hope one day one will be able to go anywhere on the internet without fear. It would be nice if the bad neighborhoods in the virtual world were also less accessible. Of course, that would erupt into a 1st Amendment debate...I'd be happy enough with a time machine to go back before all of this. :D

Hmmm, this post was a little long... Sorry for the book!



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03 Jul 2011, 12:18 pm

Pram wrote:
It's not punished, for some reason. In fact, the damage is done. Even after leaving the site, the nasty threads still show up under my real name and employers can see that stuff. Whether they will take it seriously or not is another aspect... But what if they did? Not good, all around.

I'm just glad that I never treated anyone like that. Even when I was insulting someone, I respected the line between playfulness and brutality. Despite there having been no physical interaction with these people doesn't matter to me...This kind of thing does mental damage and I already have anxiety through the roof from working at night with the general public... Something only caffeine and sugar have allowed me to do without going to pieces...It's...yeah. All this stuff should be labeled, outlawed, and filed as criminal offenses. I hope one day one will be able to go anywhere on the internet without fear. It would be nice if the bad neighborhoods in the virtual world were also less accessible. Of course, that would erupt into a 1st Amendment debate...I'd be happy enough with a time machine to go back before all of this. :D


Well yeah I mean sometimes I get into some rather nasty debates on forums......but I am careful not to take it beyond the limits. I mean getting into a rather harsh exchange of typed words with someone is one thing doing anything that will have an effect on their life is taking it too far.



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03 Jul 2011, 12:28 pm

I agree. In fact, some of my best friends started out as people I sparred with on messageboards. It's kind of like the analogy of how people used to fight in the old days: with their fists. These days, a fight starts in a bar, moves outside, and then someone gets shot. Similarly, although maybe not as dramatic, a fight starts on a message board, soon moves to Google search results, and the losing side gets their Google reputation wrecked, which may or may not affect whether or not they get a job. I'm reminded of a quote, can't remember where I read it: "it is remarkable the lengths humans will go to hurt each other". That wasn't the exact wording, but pretty close. People seemingly have an unlimited capacity to inflict harm on one another. It would be so much easier to just forgive.

As far as getting nasty, would you say it's easier for an Aspie than a Neurotypical to do that? I mean, when someone deliberately offends me, I usually want to lay into them... That's not my default nature, but it's there when I need to defend myself.



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03 Jul 2011, 2:04 pm

The problem is that a lot of forums are crucial to ones success in business. I remember I joined cinematography.com and I was advocating a digital 3D cinematography that had a high definition capability to capture motion. Unfortunately while I was being flamed, blackballed and banned as a troll for deviating from the mainstream, Hollywood Director Peter Jackson was making millions of dollars because he figured out a way to charge more for a movie ticket using this system.



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03 Jul 2011, 2:06 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The problem is that a lot of forums are crucial to ones success in business. I remember I joined cinematography.com and I was advocating a digital 3D cinematography that had a high definition capability to capture motion. Unfortunately while I was being flamed, blackballed and banned as a troll for deviating from the mainstream, Hollywood Director Peter Jackson was making millions of dollars because he figured out a way to charge more for a movie ticket using this system.


Well I was more referring to things that are not job related.....just general discussion forums, Its different obviously with what you are describing or should be.



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03 Jul 2011, 3:12 pm

Pram wrote:
I think, at the very least, the internet needs a police force, especially now that social networking is so integrated in peoples' personal and professional lives. I'm tired of hearing about someone who committed suicide because no one would help them when they were being bullied on the internet. Some think it's a joke, but it's scary when you're being stalked by people you don't know, and the only reason given by these people is that "we hate Sperg tards". And that's another thing- we're not stupid, just different cognitively. How exactly does that make someone with Aspergers "ret*d"? Stop the hate... Seriously. No more deaths.


Do you want a system like that used in the more repressive countries in the world? Because that's what censorship of things leads to - governments using their power to bully activists, bloggers and so on. Think of the Australian internet censorship blocking list that banned an obscure Dutch forklift truck company as child porn.

I'm sure it's very unpleasant to have to deal with, but at the end of the day you just have to try and ignore it for your own peace of mind as much as you can.



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03 Jul 2011, 3:14 pm

Pram wrote:
At times, I've offended someone without even meaning to and they refused the apology, and that was that!


The other point is, though, that it's absolutely necessary to "offend" people sometimes, because their utterances are so sick and twisted that they must be challenged.



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04 Jul 2011, 6:49 am

Agreed, on both points.

I wouldn't say I want to limit personal expression or suppress attitudes, but when things become criminal, it should be a semi-automatic loss of freedom for the perp and not the revolving door punchline of a legal system joke we have at the moment, where criminals seem to get more rights than their victims.

I do challenge opinions about other things now and then, usually when it has to do with music. In some cases I might argue about a stand-up comedian not being funny, but for the most part I don't like to argue unless it's something really important that I feel passionate about. Social injustice is one of those things because it's always there, and it exists at every level of society. It's like a math problem I'm trying to solve, even if the answer will only soothe myself.