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You realize that is not considered an apology.


For instance if I said something that offended you would you accept me saying "I'm sorry you're too autistic to understand what I said" as an acceptable apology?

It is precisely what I state it is in the above quote, an apology that he took offense to the way I presented information, nothing more nothing less. I made no assertions about his way of thinking or autistic traits, and made it clear that I did not contend to understand the way he thinks. You are welcome to read the full context of the discussion if you would like a better understanding of the situation.

You did not answer my question. Would you find what I stated an acceptable apology?

A simple yes or no will do for now.

It's not relevant to the issue at hand, because you are using it as an analogy for an apology that has nothing to do with your analogy. Again, it is precisely what I state it is in the above quote, an apology that he took offense to the way I presented information, nothing more nothing less.

I don't care to discuss the issue any further with you, you are welcome not to accept my answer if you don't care to.

Actually it is the entire issue at hand. You are refuse to try and see things from a different point of view. Fairly hypocritical.

See it's not someone else's problem that you communicated a point poorly. It's yours.

THAT'S why it's not an apology. You aren't admitting fault you are shifting the blame.

What happened here was that Gedrene is unable to admit that he has no understanding of sensory processing issues, despite his claims and his wish to dispense advice to those who do. Rather than admit to seeming foolish, he instead pursued aghogday for an apology which wasn't warranted.

Aghogday has been polite and patient with Gedrene, and only suggested that Gedrene, rather than being a misinformed twit, was experiencing the kind of communication difficulties common to those on the Autism Spectrum.

Gedrene, perhaps because he became aware that his ignorance showed him for a fool, proceeded to try to bluster his way out by focussing on aghogday, twisting his words and demanding an apology. This kind of tactic is even more transparent on-line than in real life.

So, for the new member who has just joined us, that's my perspective on this thread which I have been followed since before this discussion began and to which I have contributed, although strangely my last post about sensory processing disorder attracted no comment from Gedrene by that time preferred to continue his one - sided petulant squabble with ahogday.

Oh he's certainly moving the goal post but that was not my point.

Gedrene is self diagnosed so I pretty much ignore his points on autism unless I find them particularly face palm worthy.

I am not suggesting anyone is to blame for anything, the apology is precisely what I state it is in the above quote, an apology that he took offense to the way I presented information, nothing more nothing less.

I also made it clear to him that although my intentions were good, I was wrong in thinking that the information would help. If you had read the entire context as I suggested you would be able to see that statement as well.

If your question had actually been analagous to the actual information that was presented I would have answered. For instance:

I think it might be possible that Joe who is from Canada speaks French. Joe demands an apology because Joe does not speak French and he does not appreciate that I suggested that it might be possible that he speaks French. I reply, I apologize that you took offense to that question Joe, no harm was intended.

This site is a support site for people that are autistic. We often talk about our issues, when it is acceptable to the other individual. If we state something that others find offensive in relationship to their autism, an apology that they found our statements offensive, although we did not intend them offensive, is acceptable, in my opinion.

If you don't think so you are welcome to your opinion, but I am not shifting blame, when I have told an individual I was wrong for presenting information that was not accepted well, and apologize that the individual took offense to it.

Thank you, my intention has always been to be polite here, I consider myself to be patient, and don't mind accepting a little fault, even if it's not warranted.

The only unwarranted statement about Gedrene that has been made recently was that his points on autism are to be ignored because he is undiagnosed. Points should be ignored based on there merit. There are many undiagnosed people here as well as family members of the diagnosed that provide as much knowledgable information about autism as anyone else.

Yes, because presuming how my own body works without any actual intimate knowledge is exactly why I am asking aghogday for an apology. Ironic that the first thing you do is the same thing that I am asking aghogday to apologise for and it shows that you have no actual grip on what I am saying.


Presuming to know how another's body or mind works is presumptuous. Making up how someone thinks because of what they are is also cheap. Again it's ironic that you are defending a person for being polite whilst at the same time calling the other side a twit. As for politeness I would like you to find any insults used to describe aghogday, these are words that are not justified by my argument, an argument that you have only discredited by again doing what aghogday did, which is an ad hominem argument, an argument against my person: Not what I am arguing.

Great! More speculation that is unverifiable and unfalsifiable!
Twisting where? Does everyone have to lack giving evidence for everything around here? Or are you just complaining about me because I wont give up asking for something that nobody has proven that I don't deserve

What's transparent are your insults, with your only evidence being that I wont stop: Fool, ignorance, twit, unable to admit to anything. That's real lovely. Can you provide any proof that my argument is wrong without just blowing hot air?


Yes, one-sided 'petulant' squabble where I asked for someone to not speculate about my state of mental health. Truly I am the paragon of selfishness if I ask people to apologise about that.

Can you say where I am moving the goal post? Is asking for an apology somehow wrong? Is constantly trying to make up petulant lines about how Autism isn't about mental health or that I accused people of asserting something rather than just saying something not moving the goal posts?


Ah, loaded dice! That's a new one! Another ad hominem argument too. I can't be right because I am 'self-diagnosed'. I would think that people would actually have some charity and listen to what I say as I listen to everyone else and respond without having to call anyone a twit or foolish.

Thanks aghogday. Here's something he did right! And I congratulate it! Now can someone actually prove where what I did was wrong? Or can I just ask aghogday for a simple, inoffensive and not so hard to make apology without people presuming to know my body function?

Thank you for saying this.

Though dismissing what a person says because they are undiagnosed is absolutely unacceptable, there are mitigating circumstances in Gedrene's case. Many of his arguments here consist in dismissing every known aspect of Asperger Syndrome on the grounds that he does not experience it, and these arguments often go on to interminable length...and I am often tempted to snap at him:

"For heaven's sake, will you ever cop on that the fact that you do not experience any of the attributes of AS + not being diagnosed with AS (despite multidisciplinary assessment I believe) = you do not have AS, not 'everybody else is misrepresenting AS' as you claim"...but, under it all, he seems in something of a heap about it all so it probably isn't as simple as that.

I have and idea that might put some of this to bed in a constructive way. Why not Gedrene goes off and (ON HIS HONOUR, which I believe him to be capable of) takes the AQ test http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html and comes back to us with his true score?

It won't do him, or anyone else any harm, and might do some good

I just scored 44.

Pot calling kettle black. In your PMs (which unless you want me to quote I wont put on here) you tell me that my natural sociability compared to your desire to not be in geographical similarity to even close relatives was somehow plainly unusual.

Now I don't know, but that sort of statement indicates that you are also telling people what is and is not autism using an example which does not fit what is established or known as being the case about about asperger's syndrome.

As for this whole thing about dismissing: I thought I already told everyone that I was giving advice, and although you all keep trying to forget this whenever I tell you giving advice=/=dismissing what is established about autism. Also since the woman spoke back to me I haven't talked about any advice, so the effective point of what I was saying was obsolete long before all of you kept complaining about itconstantly.

Furthermore in another PM to me Zeraeph you say that you don't actually take much notice of the DSM criteria for autism (or asperger's), so I don't know why you're using an argument from authority when you told me that you take no notice of the most important authority on the matter.

What is clear is that people have thrown around a lot about what autism is and isn't with no use of fact, explanation or citation, whilst I just gave advice according to my own experience.

:/

What a lot of nonsense Gedrene (frankly you misinterpret and/or distort every word I, and others have said to the extent that I doubt if you have a real clue what most of us have actually said to you at all)...now, just try the AQ test and see what your score is, it has to sort something out.