Police stalking and bullying
This stalking is happening. I am going to give anpther example. I should not have to give another example to prove this is happening.
When I drive at night, I have been stalked. I have been stalked by cars that follow me. When I make turns they keep on following me. This has happened too many times to be a coincidence.
All the times that I have been stalked by a car following me at night, it has turned out to be a police car. With only it's headlights on, it has all of the appearances of a crazy person driving a typical civilian car. In my nervousness of having a stalker stalking me, I would commit a driving violation. The cop would stop me and give me a ticket for a driving violation he witnessed me do while he was stalking me. The points add up to having my licence suspended.
I need legal help to get my licence back. When I get my licence back, when I have any car stalking me at night, I am going to call 911 on a cell phone to report a stalker. When it is nightime, I have no way of knowing that it is a police car when only its headlights are on. Cops watch me closely to look fpr anything to charge me for. When they stalk me in my nervousness they entrap me into doing something to charge me for. In the future when any cop wants to abuse their power against me, I have to be just as vigilant to report any crimes they are commiting against me and make it so not worth it for them not to bully me.
Doesnt surprise me one bit .
Forget cops , law , judical systems and Uncle Sam unless absolutly nessessary . Sure the US government has some perks ( sucky free public schools , decent libary systems , social security )and we are morally superior to most of the governments in Africa , middle east and half of the Orient( hey ,its true , you know what Im talking about ,dont give me the racist line) but it sure isnt in the political and judical legistrative areas ,thats for sure . As I am basically a hippie I dont really care much for the "rule of law" because blindly adhering to complex and arbitrattry systems like "democrasies " and republics is foolish . Im not anti social to the exent that I advoid everyone but I do keep to my self alot ,if I were to follow a leader it would be a interpersonal one , like a cult leader (doubt it but you never know)or a leader of a private organization and their rules .You guys know why lady justice is blindfolded , right ? Its not really because of any "inpartial desire for complete and other fairness and justice " its because the Man blinded her so she COULDNT see the corruption that HE commits in her name ,thats why . The Scales of Justice are also a good symbol which became corrupted , its supposed to stand for fairness and resitution of crimes , but really , where is the "fairness " and "justice" for stoners and normally honest pot dealers how get arrested and their stuff reprosessed ? Theres really no "victim " (besides one self if you really want to argue health effects of marijihuana) so no ones being "oppressed " or "need protection", well ,exept for the stoners ofcourse .A 20 year old getting heavy fines and community service for underage drinking ,while kids a year older than he are getting roudy at a bar legally , and might actually be LESS mature than he is . (yeah ,we REALLY need to "teach those poor teenagers a lesson by charging them for criminal offences , maybe we can stop them from drinking in the future ....also theyll learn from our federal offence for fake id usage,,,in prison!) .Rounding up NATIVE Americans ( Im part native american myself , put I am refering more to the Mexicans , their ancestors were here before those stupid , ignorant republicans . That land that the want to work on probably was STOLEN from them in the first place !) for wanting to work for peanuts on farms because thats alot of money for their family back home ,because "they werent documented .
For your information ,a PIG is a racist ,aggressive , or one that follows the letter of the law, not just any or all police officers out there . But chances are if they do their job of enforcing every little tiny insignificant pot head , curfew breaker or assorted mistomienor , chances are they are pigs . The only cops who arent are ....well higher leveL ones like CSI and detectives as well as the RARE beat cop , so if any cops read this ,just know that YOU know wheater or not you are a pig or just a decent ,level headed , police officer with individual judgement and a ACTUAL sence of justice . ( you know the video game and tv hero cops ,Dirty Harry , the Punisher)
HAHAAHAHA, oh and by the way , I am harrassed by cops all the time , I wounder why .....yeah , like when I walk around in the middle of the night in my suburban nieghborhood ( that is my reflection time ) I had "concerned citizens " call up the police just to "see what was up" ( though i guessed that they might have thought that I was a teenager and i was breaking curfew , but DUDE ,who calls the pigs over that?)
OH and if you "rely on cops for protection and to uphold the law " ,DONT . Even though Im a bit of a hippie ( well I m white got dreds and a gotee sometimes , but more of a punk in a way) do what that gun loving dude ....John Browning ,would do ,get a darn hand gun and learn how to shoot it and only involve the cops when you have no other choice . We might not agree on a lot other than that , and I might be a Liberal but one thing that I dont concider liberal is centralizing guns in the hands of military and police , leaving them with complete power over the masses . Thats more ,,,,,,EXTREAM right wing .
Last edited by Ciomas on 16 Nov 2011, 11:15 am, edited 2 times in total.
Though I DO have one thing to say about the pigs ....it wasnt a good idea to yell at them all paranoid like ,they might have thought that you were a tweeker or a crackhead or something like that ......But seriously , they kinda make my blood freeze when they pull up near me ,and if I had more guts I would yell at them too ,but its not a good idea ...but , yo , if they pulled s**t on me like threatening me like that , and I didnt ...actually ....have a tincy ,wincy bit of fear and thus grudging respect for the law , Id go over an bust em up real good .Lol. That would be some gangsta lingo for ya .
When I drive at night, I have been stalked. I have been stalked by cars that follow me. When I make turns they keep on following me. This has happened too many times to be a coincidence.
All the times that I have been stalked by a car following me at night, it has turned out to be a police car. With only it's headlights on, it has all of the appearances of a crazy person driving a typical civilian car. In my nervousness of having a stalker stalking me, I would commit a driving violation. The cop would stop me and give me a ticket for a driving violation he witnessed me do while he was stalking me. The points add up to having my licence suspended.
I need legal help to get my licence back. When I get my licence back, when I have any car stalking me at night, I am going to call 911 on a cell phone to report a stalker. When it is nightime, I have no way of knowing that it is a police car when only its headlights are on. Cops watch me closely to look fpr anything to charge me for. When they stalk me in my nervousness they entrap me into doing something to charge me for. In the future when any cop wants to abuse their power against me, I have to be just as vigilant to report any crimes they are commiting against me and make it so not worth it for them not to bully me.
Dude if that's happening, really, just move out to at the very least another town or county. Preferably another state. But, besides that, there's nothing you can do. All I can recommend is try to think as logically and rationally with the cops, and don't do anything irrational (like ask if they're following you) and even if they're being dicks to you, try to be nice to them regardless.
Thats what you said to the cops isn't it?
Why would they want to stalk you? I do not get stalked by cops when I ride my bicycle or at any other time. Do you do something to draw attention to yourself?
I used to get pulled over a lot when I had a dodgy looking car.
The other thing that works is if the cops don't have guns.
Here they have to run off and get guns from the police station if they need them, and they have to have a reason to. Occasionally they get shot by maniacs while they are not armed but it doesn't happen that often, and hey they are our Public servants and if they don't like it they can do something else. Makes the place safer I think.
I remember one time when I was taking my two children to the store. I had a black backpack bag that I loved and must admit looked rather suspicious. Well the cop was looking at me as I got the bag out first and he stopped across from me. He stared at me the whole danged time. Didn't relax until I got my son out and then saw me get my baby out. I couldn't carry the GIANT baby carrier with the screaming baby and keep hold of my son and carry a diaper bag/purse.
I smiled at him and seriously thought about asking me if he could help me get to the store. When he saw both loud irritable children he quickly got out of there before I could ask about him helping me get a grocery cart.
Well I can't say that I've really been harassed by the cops as a recurring thing, there was just one isolated incident back in 1999 (two years before my diagnosis), as a youth I was waiting in my friend's car (who turned out to be a fake friend, but I won't get into that here ) who'd parked and gone into his friend's apartment block across the street - meanwhile, a couple of cop cars were circling the area, it was in kind of a seedy neighbourhood, and they stopped and demanded I get out of the car. I had baggy pants, goatee, dyed hair and ear piercings (I was pretty good with style, people told me, so that style-clueless aspect of ASD must have missed me). After I got out, they told me to back away from the car - and I don't know why, but I instinctively took a step towards the car, I was just SO freaked out!! ! They yelled at me to move the f*** away from the car, I did so this time, not saying a word, then they turned me around (not roughly) handcuffed me and ordered me down on my knees. By this point, my friend and his friend came across the street and nonchalantly asked the cops "what's going on?" They explained that they'd received a call about someone attempting a break-in, and I guess I seemed like a suspicious character. After some explaining and searching of my friend's car (with his permission), they let me go and apologized profusely for what was a case of mistaken identity.
One thing I heard from someone who is the assistant coordinator of my city's autism support society, she told me that she was in touch with the police to educate them better about ASD and she told me that one way you can tell if someone is autistic is when the police order them to "stay where you are" or something to that effect, they will instinctively put their hands in their pockets. At one point in my life, I could sort of see myself doing that, before I underwent therapy and coaching after my 2001 diagnosis. I can see how the cops might get apprehensive about this sort of thing! But, overall, I'm pleased to say that I've never been the victim of policy bullying, knock on wood that it won't happen...
I don't like police either. They can be the biggest bullies around. When there's real crime going around, all they do is sit their lazy butts on their cruisers eating donuts.
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E. E. Cummings
I would say that this is a somewhat overused stereotype. But then again it might hold a grain, or indeed a whole wheatsheaf, of truth.
I do know what it's like to be really stalked by police as it happened to me for over twenty five years after I helped in a very big case that involved helping the White House, one DEA agent from what I learned later lost his job for lying about the fact that he and the other officer failed to help me as they were supposed to in the investigation so I ended up working the case by almost by myself with only the help of a woman I called at the White House and a personal aid of Presidnet Reagan until it came time eight months later for me to get them invovled again, so they acted like they were involved all along then they lied about me and got caught so then they decided to take it out on me besides the fact I helped arrest the mayor and many other corrupt people there. So after I moved I found I began losing my jobs every year or so, I would move to a new town and a new landlor after I found my landlords refused to redo my lease for another year or my boss would fire me even though I had previously had an excellent review, they woudl never say why, then I finally decided to puchase property so I didn't have to worry about renting or leasing, and became severely disabled from just working too hard, I even turned down two chances by very famous Hollywood "A" listers who offered to help me start a career acting as an "A" lister but I turned them down as well as a very famous "A+" lister very famous film director who wanted me to be a main supporting actor in a very big movie he made I also turned down because I was afraid once I started working I would only be fired and end up costing the studios or the director or actors huge amounts of money which was almost surely would have happened, so I turned down the offers with the last one only about ten years ago. So when I purchased the property I began receving death threats by phone by a man who warned me he would simply kill me if I told police so I did so anyway as I got right back in the callers face and told him I was going to find him and put his assets in jail, but in fact I was very frieghtened being severely disabled, I ended up with pulmonary embolisms to both lungs as my doctor couldn't keep my blood pressure down and I told him what was happening it was rather hard for people to believe in this small town. So the sheriff took police reports and I got a number to dial from my phone company so every call was placed into a database for ten years as a recording so they could later be subpoenaed and nobody could delete the calls for ten years. So then I discovered all of a sudden I was being discriminated against by the college I attended the college formed a committee and discovered there was in fact interference that my counselor at the disabled student services told all the teachers I was not disabled and that I was only using the accommodations letters to get better grades wrongly and if I mentioned the accommodations I received for the previous four semesters full time I recieved a 3.8 GPA that fell by my sixth semester to a 1.8 so the college had to go back and regrade my courses to non credit in a attempt to raise my GPA so I would still qualify for the grants and funds I was also denied by a assist dean who also called me stating she didn't believe I was disabled and it turned out I discovered only a few weeks ago she was the one who told my disabilities counselor to lie to my teachers that ultamately cost the disabilities councelor her job. The assist dean also threatened me and admitted she falsified paperwork to force me into paying for another student's student loans because that student died and she said she belived i was married to the dead student which wasn't true. So I had to contact the Inspector General who is now investigating and the student loan companies said they will investigate also but now the same assist dean at the financial aid office has again been theatening me again and even has been lying to social security which is my own income because I am severley disabled, as she threatened she would do if I tried to report her or said anything when she called my home and asmitted she also lied to me when she said I could take out a student loans temporarilty until the Cal Grant came through and use that to pay back the student loans because it was too late in the semesters each time to drop the classes or I would receive a failing grade. She also boasted about how she purposely intefered with book vouchers because she felt I was too old to be receive funds like that and then now again she is trying to tell social security I am not disabled and lied about me and even tried to interfere with my physician by calling him who refused to go along with her and she and the cop who was stalking me and made the death theats both contacted my doctor but didn't work. So now I found out the man who made all the death threats all these years was finally arrested on over forty other felony criminal charges similar to what he committed against me and was also in on interfering with my education by contacting the assist dean who is still as of last week making threats and lying to social security to interfere with my only smll source of income and health benefits so if she is successful I will pretty much just die becuase after I suffered form the pulmonary embolimes when I was given less than two hours to live, it caused damage to my lungs all because of the death threats that caused my blood pressure to rise so high it caused a blood vessel to break in my left leg and massive blood clots to both my lungs and I was given less than two hours to live by ER physicians at the hospital. So now I've again been trying to find an attorney but they are either afraid to go up against the college or sheriff's department or whatever, but I've also decided to sell my property as I'm finally getting to the point physicially that if I can lose the wieght I gained from being in so much pain all I could do was lay down most of the time and wait to die, I am starting to feel a bit better and if I can learn to control my pain from the fibromialgia I have that was caused by a rare staph infection when I was fifteen when I worked at a milk bottling facility which I was told would get worse with age. The fibromialgia was discovered by investigators from social security itself when they discovered I was hospitalized as a teenager for the srare staph infection, but now suffer pain so bad that I was told by severl physiicians that I would only live maybe five years as at least half to all of anyone in my type of pain take their own lives within five to ten years so I am now going on eleven years in this horrible pain as these stalkers and horrible people have only tried everything they could to undermine any success that I made and then they lied to cover up what they did and or the sheriff refuses to investigate they said at first because I didn't know who was calling me, they said they weren't able to investigate, so then i found out it was a sheriff which to me is very suspicious but at least he's caught and in jail now and I won't have to worry about him anymore, but now I have to go through all the problems again with the assist dean who is so hard headed that she's still trying to undermine me in every way she can because now she is also caught and is afraid that if she is wrong she will lose her job or maybe even be arrested but all I need to do is simply tell the truth, nothing more and nothing less. This is the problem with being severely disabled and still having your mental capacities, in that there are so many horrible predators out there who will abuse, steal, rob, threaten, lie, befall their own justice or make their own diagnoses without a medical license and do whatever they can to take or hurt someone they know is alone and severly disabled. This is what is so wrong with the world as the police just stand by and do nothing because they are so afraid of arresting anyone in authority save for a few hero officers in a few small towns. I am so depressed that I had to still go through all this and now I can't even find an attorney who is willing to at least listen to the horrifying death threats that would turn anyone's guts who listens to them they are so frieghtening, but this is how our world is today I guess. Enjoy.
What I meant by the death threats I recieved by phone that were all recorded and with police reports was by a man who told me I had to sign over the deed to my property to him within one week or he said he would kill me, burn down my house, poison my trees etc etc.
also, I should have wrote that this same cop also retired before he was caught but was on active duty from a different county where I am living or was living when he called me and trying to extort my property. Unfortunatley the sheriff in this county here doesn't seem very happy to investigate the recorded death threats. Besides the death threats, he also put about fifty mice and rats in my home to try to start a fire that almost worked but I was very fortunate that squirrel friend of the family managed to get into the house and killed every mouse and rat before they did much damage, my nurse and I arrived to my house after classes one day and saw the hero squirrel killing the last mouse that we could find. His name was Junior, but we later found he was poisoned and died. Then four of my walnut trees were poisoned and four poplar trees that were very tall, one 90 foot tall poplar tree fell on my house and could have easily killed me had it not been for the very hot weather that dried it out first plus the fact Poplar is very ligth when dried and used as a blasa wood replacement by hobbiests, but had it been wet I would have for sure been killed or severely injured because it fell right on my roof where I was studying directly under in my living room, where I lay every night waiting now for years on milk crates I turned into a bed because I can see out the windows outside if anyone tries to attack at least my neighbors can hear me scream for help if I'm able to before i get shot or whatever. Anywy, this is a very long message and I appologise but it's all very true and unfortunately few people really care less because they feel they are too afraid as lawyers to help or whatever. Thanks for reading my true story.
When I drive at night, I have been stalked. I have been stalked by cars that follow me. When I make turns they keep on following me. This has happened too many times to be a coincidence.
All the times that I have been stalked by a car following me at night, it has turned out to be a police car. With only it's headlights on, it has all of the appearances of a crazy person driving a typical civilian car. In my nervousness of having a stalker stalking me, I would commit a driving violation. The cop would stop me and give me a ticket for a driving violation he witnessed me do while he was stalking me. The points add up to having my licence suspended.
I need legal help to get my licence back. When I get my licence back, when I have any car stalking me at night, I am going to call 911 on a cell phone to report a stalker. When it is nightime, I have no way of knowing that it is a police car when only its headlights are on. Cops watch me closely to look fpr anything to charge me for. When they stalk me in my nervousness they entrap me into doing something to charge me for. In the future when any cop wants to abuse their power against me, I have to be just as vigilant to report any crimes they are commiting against me and make it so not worth it for them not to bully me.
You're much better off not making assumptions and just following oddone's advice. Police lurk around watching people all the time - that's what they're supposed to be doing. You seem to panic at just the sight of them and then do something that causes you to look hostile, like yelling at them while on your bike or driving erratically just because there's a cop car on the road. Now you want to make a federal case and take on the cops in court for what - driving behind you? They might have frequent business near you, there's no reason to suspect that just because a cop car has made a few turns with you that it has anything to do with you.
Same with cops driving around a block a couple of times - they were probably looking for someone else. If they wanted to mess with you, they would have. Police do not behave like regular drivers, keep that in mind. Sometimes they drive around a block twice because they're looking for somebody and can't find him.
Behaving like you do is going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy, if you're yelling at cops on the street and calling 911 every time you see them, sooner or later you're going to get their attention. Which means then they will be watching and following you, for real.
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Our police here just hang out either at the restaurant or the store. Sometimes they sit in a parking lot in their car watching for speeders or people they know don't have a license. Sometimes they set up road blocks for license and insurance and DUI checks. They don't really do very much because we don't really have any real crime here.
We have two cops on duty all the time, so that's two cars. My town is two different townships right next to each other. The whole town area is maybe about five square miles. Thats where the businesses are and neighborhoods and churches. After that it's just out in the country for miles. Each town has two cops, so there are four. Plus the county so thats six. The thing is, the county has to go all over the county. There are two cops to cover the entire unincorporated county and so they don't much bother with stuff in town, unless there is a call that is interesting, like a fight or a domestic violence or somebody gets busted with weed or other drugs, and in that case, all the cops show up to that one scene. Six cops. They want to see whats going on.
Because ours have nothing to do, they have plenty of time to stalk people but they are too lazy to, and right now it's just too hot out to do anything. I had one friend who was a cop for the other town until he got a better job at a warehouse. He used to spend his shift sitting in the restaurant on facebook from his phone. I would talk to him in chat on there all the time. He has six kids though and they don't pay much of anything here in salary so he had to get a different job.
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First thing you gotta remember; yes there are autistic people in the world, but unless you wear a shirt that says "I'm autistic" how can they know? We have a guy who stems by pacing around in a circle. If someone didn't know he was autistic; they might assume that he was about to fight, or hurt himself.
The bicycle incident, there was no police misconduct there. Sorry to say it. You have no idea why they came by again. It could have been anything from they saw something suspicious to a welfare check to something totally unrelated. Let them contact you if they have an issue with you, and respond with respect.
I asked my friend with is a federal cop and she said if someone yelled at her "Are you following me?" She would assume they were breaking the law and get very suspicious.
As for the nite driving; cops are always out at night looking for drunk drivers, criminals, etc.
That's kind of the point. They don't want you to know who they are.
I get cops behind me on my way to work often. The road I use is the same one they use to go back to their office. I get cops following me when I drive home, they'll hang behind me for like 10 minutes; then drive off. I know they run my license plate; prob read my bumper stickers, and then find out I'm not interesting and drive off.
I wonder if they are mistaking your nervous driving for drunk driving.