Possible redefinition of Autism

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I do not find it embarrassing to be associated with autistic people I know that I am on the same spectrum - I have no problem with the connections beyond the fact that Many NT already refuse to consider me anything other than broken and useless when someone informs them of my "condition - Asperger's" - that is the sole reason that I have spent so much effort at passing as an NT in the work place. In my personal life I often let my Aspers hang out and I spend as much of my personal time as I am able with my own kind. Maybe I should have used the term 'Low Functioning' in place of 'Truly'. My post was almost totally about NT perceptions and NT treatment of us (all of us on the spectrum).

I see how we could be put on the same spectrum. Don't see the difference in thinking between autism, PDD, AS, Non-verbal LD, and high-functioning autism. The kids I've dealt with on the spectrum all seem to have problems socializing and ways of coping with it.

Well the whole issue is Low functioning and High functioning people with autism still both have autism, there is no reason to act like its a different disorder when its not. I get what you are saying but trying to seperate the two that way still just keeps the stigma going...just redirects it to only low functioning people with autism then people with autism in general which is just as bad.

What about low functioning neurotypicals?

This is what I have read as well. One of the few journal articles I found that included adults as research participants was about this (the name of the article was "Outcome in High-Functioning Adults with Autism With and Without Early Language Delays: Implications for the Differentiation Between Autism and Asperger Syndrome" and the author was Patricia Howlin).

What I got from the article was that the distinction is important for children. A child with HFA may have more sensory problems, more problems understanding/caring about NT rules of behavior and obeying them, and more communication differences and therefore may need to be dealt with delicately. My little brother has HFA and I remember all standard rules for dealing with kids just had to be thrown out the window with him- he was just unique and had to be dealt with in his own way. A child with Aspergers, on the other hand, is likely to be more self-sufficient and will just need more consideration paid to special interests.

A really interesting part of this article was that they measured the reasons why the parents sought "help" for their kids. In the HFA group it was mostly because of delays in language (32%) and motor development (24%) with social problems next prevalent (23%). For the AS group, it was because of "general behavior problems" (29%) and repetitive/stereotyped behaviors/interests (21%). Motor development was less of a concern (19%) as were social problems (19%).

However, it says that because the main difference is language and other developmental delays or pauses (maybe a kid with HFA will stop talking for a year or two after he or she learned, or stop using the toilet after he or she had already learned) will go away with age, the two become indistinguishable in adulthood, which is why you don't often see adults walking around saying they're HFA. There is still a slight superiority in language skills for those with AS, but this is not perceptible to the average person and would only matter on, say, a language test. The author said that this was really quite remarkable because people with HFA start out way behind and then catch up really quickly somehow.

***I know about this because I wrote an undergrad paper last semester about how required group interaction at work might effect workers with ASD. I didn't end up citing this paper, but I thought it was fascinating.***

The most severe oppositors to the redefinition of Autism are, I think, believing that having Asperger Syndrom is a kind of binary: either you have it or not. But there are a lot of people who are something between AS and autism diagnosis now, so like people, who have strong autistic traits, but not strong enough to fall under AS diagnosis as well.

So, for some people it may be a kind of shock for their binary consiousness: I'm an AS, it's black-and-white defined and therefore (... here comes the long list ...) But such attitude is only theirs problem

The most important is: what impact it will have on general population with ASD. What help could the childer get at school, how to raise Autism awareness in order to diagnose children as having ASD (and not just being rude or rebelling).

And in other well supported studies, there is a mass of Lead Poisoning resulting from Tetraethel Lead in gas during the 50's 60's and early 70's, which did not go away, which presents many of the same symptoms, and Toxocology is edited out of Psychology, even though both are Neurology.

Many have died from Lead, others carry it in their blood, and the following generations are affected. It is proven science, and totally ignored.

Autism is a coverup for a mass poisoning of the population, and the land. Lead was pulled from everything in 1972, but the lead levels in cities are still just as high. Some say 100,000 years till the lead levels decrease.

Autism is found in cities, the Amish do not have it. Rural ares have much less. It can be traced to the same cities that got the largest dose of lead.

From all the Autism Studies, no one ever tested for Lead?

They very well know the cause, and that there would be mass damages to pay, Bopol on a much larger scale, and funded by oil companies, who are very profitable, and can afford to buy governments.

The latest study, Tulane in New Orleans and the University of Colorado, said the lead is still there, people have high blood levels, and assult is 40% higher in the places that got dosed with lead from gas.

It came out a while back that minority children in cities had a high blood lead level, and they were accused of eating paint chips. Paint does not have the Tetra Ethel form, it is lead oxide. Tetra ethel is what is showing in blood tests, millions were exposed, and continue to be.

We do have Asperger, Kanner, and others to check back with, Autism in all forms was a known small number over a long time. It never increased.

We have an epidemic, it is not Autism.

Look how they freaked out about Mercury in vaccines, denying Mercury had anything to do with it, but avoiding any study of Lead, which is not in vaccines.

Autism is still real, but it is being used for a cover for a huge crime.

Is this a troll?

Recently, scientists found out what could spontaneously cause autism in families which do not have it. They cited that older fathers were more likely to conceive a child with autism, and to a lesser extent, older mothers.

So the way genes work is that they are passed down from your parents. The genes from the father produce themselves constantly, by having an enzyme (protein) called RNA copy the father's DNA and reproduce it. The explanation was that the DNA from older fathers was more likely to contain copying errors, simply because of his age.

Uhhh and ever consider that perhaps statistics just don't show autistic offspring in rural or Amish communities, even though they do exist? Ever heard about how city schools have the money to hire people knowledgeable about developmental disabilities, or that rural communities may be too ashamed to admit that their child is different?

Anyways, this seems too hilarious to be for real, so I will save my explaining for later.

What I wrote, Autism is real, and has been around at a consistant level.

The same areas mapped for lead have a 40% higher rate of assault, and autism at epidemic levels. Autism is being connected to mental retardation, where it was not before, but it is one of the most obvious signs of lead.

Blood tests are showing elevated levels of Tetra Ethel Lead.

This thread is about redefining Autism, away from the way it was defined by Asperger, Kanner, Wing, and others in the field, before the Lead Epidemic, to make it fit the results seen after lead.

Most CNV copy number variations are in the family genome at birth, have been for thousands of years. Older parents can produce more copy errors, but it has been ruled a small part of autism. No clear link has been established, and even if it was, the aurtism epidemic is much larger than could be accounted for. The twin studies showed that it was not just genetics, as identical twins have identical genetics, but not autism.

Possible autism pre natal tests, or factors like the age of the parents have been given a 1% weighting, which is the same as a guess.

We are seeing at least a tripleing of cases, 0.5%-1.5% with a heavy weighting to older cities. LA was Smog City, during the leaded gas era, and is leading the autism epidemic now.

Most of Silicon Valley grew up in LA, it is the big population center. Lead has no way out of the body, and it also causes genetic mutation, CNVs.

Exposed before five, mental retardation, after five, agression, assult, and other behaviors related to impulse control. We are getting soil tests, blood levels, and behaviors that match the known effects of Lead.

Meanwhile, in places like Montana, there is autism, in the numbers and as described by Asperger, Kanner, and no epidemic. There most live out on the ranch, in a lead free area.

Do you have some sort of research that you can post, Inventor, or is this all hypothesis?

Toxocoligists from Tulane in New Orleans, and the University recently published a study. It's main subject was the 40% higher assault rate in known leaded areas.

www.urbanleadpoisoning.com is a large site with lots of maps, papers, links, and about a third down the page,

2012 Association Between Aggravated Assault and Air Pb- Six City Study

I had just read the one news article, the web site is very detailed, and their symptoms lists match the Autism Epidemic which seems something impossible to get just through genetics, people been doing genetics for a while, this is something new.

Pushing Public Health was being ignored, lots of papers about that, so this paper is about crime. There is money in crime, so they are getting noticed.

There have been more than a few threads here about the possible causes of the Autism Epidemic, every Genetic study has been brought up, aspied to death, and we speculated widely.

Lead fits across the board. There are even papers about how the lead industry has friends in Congress, that block Public Health, because of the vast liability involved. Also, private prisons depend on having twice as many people locked up as Russia, South Africa, ever did.

Look at the maps, and know that if you were to have a child, in one of the Red Zones, they would have a up to ten percent lower IQ, and much higher chance of becomining a criminal.

The Medical Science has been done, those areas should be closed, and we would have smarter people, lower crime, better general health. It is being blocked at every turn.

At least on Star Trek the Ship's Doctor can over rule the Captian. We need some of that down here.

Autism Speaks, and the Psychobabble Witch Doctors, depend on Autism income, and Lead would remove them from their drug pushing economy.

We got the Lead out of Gas and Paint, Ralph Nader Days, but the problem does not go away. Wetting down and removing the top layer of soil would answer the problem,

Soil is another problem, plants trap Lead, and are then fed to livestock and people. Lead moves up the food chain.

We also have a lot of Radioactive sites, and Superfund Cleanups did not happen, the money went for endless study, till the old owners were no longer liabel.

As only excess deaths are counted, try proving that heart attack was caused by long term exposure to Lead, Love Canal, Yucca Flats, Agent Orange, Dioxen.

Just call it Autism, and keep the jails and Group Homes full.

We have the Smoking Gun.

http://imfar.confex.com/imfar/2010/webp ... r7336.html

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I don't know, my opinion on scientific issues tends to be swayed more often when I see research by scientists explicitly linking a hypothesis to results, and analyzing the results in a study among a sample population. I also like how they have a reputation to keep up by making sure their proof is correct, and examining all possible areas of error, since their report will be subject to scrutiny by the scientific community. Maybe it's just because I'm a science person...