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20 Jun 2012, 11:05 am

That is your call, vermontsavant. I never forced anyone to listen to my statements. And please, spare me that ad hominem nonsense. It's not working, and doesn't support your argument.


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20 Jun 2012, 11:12 am

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That is your call, vermontsavant. I never forced anyone to listen to my statements. And please, spare me that ad hominem nonsense. It's not working, and doesn't support your argument.
i am not argueing and i dont like autism speaks.other then your belief that WP is a sockpuppet of A.S i am basicly on your side.i am waiting on your proof that alex sold out to autism speaks


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20 Jun 2012, 11:13 am

Well if "Autism Speaks" considered Einstein then they could no longer consider Autism as a disabling disease but rather as the pathway to achieving ones genius potential. Rather than being called autistics we would be called either a low functioning genius or a high functioning genius. But how could a genius be low functioning?



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20 Jun 2012, 11:21 am

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That is your call, vermontsavant. I never forced anyone to listen to my statements. And please, spare me that ad hominem nonsense. It's not working, and doesn't support your argument.
i am not argueing and i dont like autism speaks.other then your belief that WP is a sockpuppet of A.S i am basicly on your side.i am waiting on your proof that alex sold out to autism speaks


Exactly -- I was challenging Plank on that premise. His failure to respond to the issue on the Wrong Planet-Autism Speaks collaboration is deafening, and is pushing others like myself to draw conclusions. I'll be upfront -- my depictions on the issue is colourful at best, and they serve as my propositions on said issue.

Here's the arrangement I can make: I know I gave up on it, but I'll do the proactive stuff, attempt to contact Plank again, and give him a chance to answer. Whether he does or doesn't, I'll make sure to get back to you on it, and let everyone know. How does that sound to you?


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20 Jun 2012, 11:26 am

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Well if "Autism Speaks" considered Einstein then they could no longer consider Autism as a disabling disease but rather as the pathway to achieving ones genius potential. Rather than being called autistics we would be called either a low functioning genius or a high functioning genius. But how could a genius be low functioning?
autism does not affect intelligence


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20 Jun 2012, 11:26 am

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That is your call, vermontsavant. I never forced anyone to listen to my statements. And please, spare me that ad hominem nonsense. It's not working, and doesn't support your argument.
i am not argueing and i dont like autism speaks.other then your belief that WP is a sockpuppet of A.S i am basicly on your side.i am waiting on your proof that alex sold out to autism speaks


Exactly -- I was challenging Plank on that premise. His failure to respond to the issue on the Wrong Planet-Autism Speaks collaboration is deafening, and is pushing others like myself to draw conclusions. I'll be upfront -- my depictions on the issue is colourful at best, and they serve as my propositions on said issue.

Here's the arrangement I can make: I know I gave up on it, but I'll do the proactive stuff, attempt to contact Plank again, and give him a chance to answer. Whether he does or doesn't, I'll make sure to get back to you on it, and let everyone know. How does that sound to you?
i will make an offer of truce i will respect your right to contact alex and give your response from thereof.

in the mean time can we keep posts coherent and based on provable fact.


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20 Jun 2012, 11:29 am

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That is your call, vermontsavant. I never forced anyone to listen to my statements. And please, spare me that ad hominem nonsense. It's not working, and doesn't support your argument.
i am not argueing and i dont like autism speaks.other then your belief that WP is a sockpuppet of A.S i am basicly on your side.i am waiting on your proof that alex sold out to autism speaks


Exactly -- I was challenging Plank on that premise. His failure to respond to the issue on the Wrong Planet-Autism Speaks collaboration is deafening, and is pushing others like myself to draw conclusions. I'll be upfront -- my depictions on the issue is colourful at best, and they serve as my propositions on said issue.

Here's the arrangement I can make: I know I gave up on it, but I'll do the proactive stuff, attempt to contact Plank again, and give him a chance to answer. Whether he does or doesn't, I'll make sure to get back to you on it, and let everyone know. How does that sound to you?
i will make an offer of truce i will respect your right to contact alex and give your response from thereof.

in the mean time can we keep posts coherent and based on provable fact.


Sounds like a good proposition of a ceasefire, or whatever we may call it. Until I receive a response, I guess we can set aside the issue on the Wrong Planet-Autism Speaks collaboration and go back to topic in the meantime.


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20 Jun 2012, 11:31 am

Even if neurotypicals accept the idea that Einstein had autism they will tell you that he achieved his genius in spite of his autism. But the truth is that Einstein found his genius through autism.



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20 Jun 2012, 11:32 am

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Even if neurotypicals accept the idea that Einstein had autism they will tell you that he achieved his genius in spite of his autism. But the truth is that Einstein found his genius through autism.
it is not possible to know if he did or not. Ie is dead


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20 Jun 2012, 11:33 am

theimperiousdork wrote:
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theimperiousdork wrote:
That is your call, vermontsavant. I never forced anyone to listen to my statements. And please, spare me that ad hominem nonsense. It's not working, and doesn't support your argument.
i am not argueing and i dont like autism speaks.other then your belief that WP is a sockpuppet of A.S i am basicly on your side.i am waiting on your proof that alex sold out to autism speaks


Exactly -- I was challenging Plank on that premise. His failure to respond to the issue on the Wrong Planet-Autism Speaks collaboration is deafening, and is pushing others like myself to draw conclusions. I'll be upfront -- my depictions on the issue is colourful at best, and they serve as my propositions on said issue.

Here's the arrangement I can make: I know I gave up on it, but I'll do the proactive stuff, attempt to contact Plank again, and give him a chance to answer. Whether he does or doesn't, I'll make sure to get back to you on it, and let everyone know. How does that sound to you?
i will make an offer of truce i will respect your right to contact alex and give your response from thereof.

in the mean time can we keep posts coherent and based on provable fact.


Sounds like a good proposition of a ceasefire, or whatever we may call it. Until I receive a response, I guess we can set aside the issue on the Wrong Planet-Autism Speaks collaboration and go back to topic in the meantime.
sounds good and sorry about the rude responses i gave last night,i was just frustrated.best wishes


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20 Jun 2012, 11:34 am

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Back to topic, though, those names were meant to poke fun at the companies they parody; but in The South Butt's case, as Delphiki might have already mentioned, it was a clothing company, similar to the that of the very company it parodied, which is the opposite direction: The North Face. It would make sense that The North Face litigates Winkelmann over the brand name, because of the fact that it sold similar products, and that The South Butt was meant to be a money-making enterprise, thus justifying their case. In MikeRoweSoft's case, though Rowe's purpose of registering the domain was to promote his web-design business, which is similar to the agenda of The South Butt, it was partly a blunder on the part of Microsoft due to their exaggerated reaction.

But in the case of Autism Speaks vs Zazzle vs AspieWeb, the main purpose of the shirts was protest. And in Autism Speaks's case, though they are a registered corporation, their name is to my knowledge an unregistered trademark. I do not think they are given the privilege to litigate anyone for any reason over the use of their name, especially if no one profits from said tactic.
Not really.
In both cases a corporation was defending its identifying mark and while I'm no expert on American corporate law, I suspect you'll find that no other company (within sane reason) would be allowed to call itself "Autism Speaks" or "Microsoft" whatever the perceived purpose of doing so might be, for the simple reason that both "Autism Speaks" and "Microsoft" are the registered and primary corporate identifiers, therefore any use other than that sanctioned by the name's owner is an infringement.
The specific way that Microsoft, for example, represents its name (font, spacing, colour, decorative border etc) may well be a separate registered trade mark or sign by virtue of its design, but this is a separate issue from protection of the company name itself and I'd suggest that the name is automatically protected by virtue of it being registered.
Another example: the bright yellow "K" character used by the Eastman Kodak Company, aka "Kodak", and the unique styling of the word "Kodak" more recently. All separate things and all are protected.
If a corporation is only permitted to defend its name when that has been registered as a distinct trade mark, and it is only permitted to defend that specific mark - anarchy would result and MikeRoweSoft, MyCrowSoft and a thousand other amusing lookalikes would exist.
I know you so want the Zazzle thing to be about a big, nasty corporation suppressing a small and helpless individual's protest but I'm afraid it's much more convoluted than that.

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As for Plank, it was way back before you and I, and I would guest most of the participants of this discussion, had actually been members of this community. These are the articles that I am aware of where Plank outspokenly berates Autism Speaks. They date sometime between 2008 and 2009:
It's old news; some of it is very old and all of it has been addressed. People - and corporations - change.

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As for his supposed wealth, I don't really know about it.
Then you have no basis for speculation.
You probably wouldn't believe how many classical music CDs I own but I doubt you'd leap to making insinuations about unanswered questions regarding my ownership of them or reason for buying them. Why? Because you know nothing about my supposed wealth either.
You want to implicate Autism Speaks as being somehow involved and instead of pausing to look for evidence, you just go ahead and make the connection anyway. That's not justified.
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But, like I mentioned, it still raises a lot of questions. Plank acquiring multiple automobiles in the heat of the his connivance with Autism Speaks -- that, coupled with his silence and outright refusal to respond to questions, would definitely draw a lot of flak from those disillusioned.
You're making some sort of sinister connection between the number of cars Alex has owned and the presence of Autism Speaks but this is irrational.
Also, as I said earlier, "silence" is exactly that: silence. You have no right or reason to call it an "outright refusal to respond to questions" - because there was no outright refusal. Just... silence.


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20 Jun 2012, 11:36 am

Albert Einstein lives.



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20 Jun 2012, 11:36 am

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Even if neurotypicals accept the idea that Einstein had autism they will tell you that he achieved his genius in spite of his autism. But the truth is that Einstein found his genius through autism.
Please stop making these irrelevant, NT-bashing and off-topic comments otherwise I may be forced to put my moderator's hat back on for the sole purpose of removing them from this thread.


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20 Jun 2012, 11:46 am

Well, Cornflake, as vermontsavant and I have arranged, and I hope the arrangement would be agreeable to you, that I would attempt to break his silence on the issue and help shed light on the propositions I made here, in exchange for holding off colourful arguments about the Wrong Planet-Autism Speaks collaboration unless provoked otherwise.

Though, going back to the Autism Speaks issue alone, to my knowledge, Autism Speaks still has the ™ (unregistered trademark) character on it, not the ® (registered trademark) one.

Vermontsavant, I apologise to you as well as to Cornflake, for being so pent-up myself. It just happens that my passion is something I stand up for, and honestly, it has been a good interaction. Thank you for that one.

On a side note, androbot2084, we were talking about Autism Speaks, Wrong Planet, and Alex Plank here, not Einstein.


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20 Jun 2012, 12:05 pm

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Well, Cornflake, as vermontsavant and I have arranged, and I hope the arrangement would be agreeable to you, that I would attempt to break his silence on the issue and help shed light on the propositions I made here, in exchange for holding off colourful arguments about the Wrong Planet-Autism Speaks collaboration unless provoked otherwise.
Basically, yes - but I have a better idea: why not drop all the arrogant 'I'm still right' hyperbole, the nonsense about "breaking his silence" and some pointless deal about "holding off colourful arguments" (is that how you justify them? Well, Ok...) unless "provoked" - and just politely ask him some questions?
You know: free of any spite, prejudice, accusations or implications?
And if you get no response, don't you dare attempt to distort that nothingness into something other than what it is: nothing.
Remember - this site is totally free for you to use and Alex is not obliged to answer any of your questions.

Since you're still here, freely using WP by your own choice alone - I think it's the very least that should be expected from you.


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20 Jun 2012, 12:14 pm

Cornflake wrote:
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Well, Cornflake, as vermontsavant and I have arranged, and I hope the arrangement would be agreeable to you, that I would attempt to break his silence on the issue and help shed light on the propositions I made here, in exchange for holding off colourful arguments about the Wrong Planet-Autism Speaks collaboration unless provoked otherwise.
Basically, yes - but I have a better idea: why not drop all the arrogant 'I'm still right' hyperbole, the nonsense about "breaking his silence" and some pointless deal about "holding off colourful arguments" (is that how you justify them? Well, Ok...) unless "provoked" - and just politely ask him some questions?
You know: free of any spite, prejudice, accusations or implications?
And if you get no response, don't you dare attempt to distort that nothingness into something other than what it is: nothing.
Remember - this site is totally free for you to use and Alex is not obliged to answer any of your questions.

Since you're still here, freely using WP by your own choice alone - I think it's the very least that should be expected from you.


Well, that might work, but I am still entitled to my own opinion, right? And like I said, I'm afraid sarcasm doesn't work for me, so I would suggest you not use it on me. No offense to you or anyone else, but I, as anyone else, deserve answers if people would want "speculations" to stop.

I know you're a moderator, but I'm talking to you as a regular user. And sorry, I don't appreciate being given orders, especially when forced down my throat. Don't get me wrong -- no offense to you personally, but considering the tone of your statements, that's how I feel.


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