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12 Nov 2012, 10:40 am

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Did anyone actually read the whole article?

It talks about Ron Freedman.


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12 Nov 2012, 11:47 am

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I don't understand what your point is here, Fnord. This illustrates a case of someone unable to take care of himself, and clearly his parents couldn't take care of him either, so the state intervened. What's wrong with this?

There is nothing "wrong" with the report, or with the intervention by the State. What is "wrong" is that the details as given in the article might lead people to believe that all Aspies are like Nate Tseglin. There is no disclaimer that we aren't.

If a general practitioner can think such awful things about us and be wrong, then how much more likely for the aggregate population to think the same, or worse, from reading just the first few paragraphs of an unbalanced story?


I think what Fnord is trying to say is that articles like this help to perpetuate an unfair negative stereotype. And I think he's right. So what do we do about it?


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12 Nov 2012, 1:06 pm

There really are people that bad off. I agree the article could have been written better and I think that kid def has some other issues, but this is also a good reminder to us of the dark side of AS.



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12 Nov 2012, 1:39 pm

It's clearly a sporadic case of AS, according to the article his form of AS had been excaerbareted by his severe mental health issues such as PTSD. I'm presuming that either some traumatic event incidentally occurred during his hospitalization at the Fairview Developmental Center (e.g. obtrusive side effects of injected anti-psychotics), or it was retrospective years of neglectance by his family that contributed to his mental illness - or both could've played in the role of it's development. I'm implying by taking my speculations into account that his AS was unrecognized when he was younger; however, the article doesn't mention his medical and developmental history prior to age 17, therefore it's inexplicable to determine this and has perpetuated the debate even further. The only thing that is clear that this is an extremely negative and misleading stereotype towards those with AS, one that suggests that those with AS are mentally handicapped or incompetent - as a result they cannot adapt to function on a daily basis within society.

Unlike those with a severe form of autism, individuals with Asperger's syndrome don't usually fall into the mandate of the developmental disabilities sector; nonetheless, Nate Tseglin's concurrent diagnosis of PTSD has led to a further deterioration of his adaptive and mental capacities even more prior to being hospitalized at Fairview, equivalent to that of someone intellectually handicapped. So as a result of odious neglect and traumatic events, it is now reasonable that he has once again being committed to a psychiatric hospital.

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12 Nov 2012, 9:46 pm

AnotherKind wrote:
Chaos_Epoch wrote:
Did anyone actually read the whole article?

It talks about Ron Freedman.


yeah, but the thread is called, "this is how they see us." and people are complaining that the article only focuses on the bad sides of AS. missing this part of the article.



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13 Nov 2012, 10:46 am

Fnord wrote:
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I don't understand what your point is here, Fnord. This illustrates a case of someone unable to take care of himself, and clearly his parents couldn't take care of him either, so the state intervened. What's wrong with this?

There is nothing "wrong" with the report, or with the intervention by the State. What is "wrong" is that the details as given in the article might lead people to believe that all Aspies are like Nate Tseglin. There is no disclaimer that we aren't.

If a general practitioner can think such awful things about us and be wrong, then how much more likely for the aggregate population to think the same, or worse, from reading just the first few paragraphs of an unbalanced story?


Looks like they did make a pretty feeble attempt at a disclaimer.

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Nate Tseglin's case is severe, but many people with developmental disabilities function well in society with the help of their parents and nonprofit groups.

Ron Freedman, 62, has lived alone in for 30 years in housing provided by Project Independence. A caretaker checks in on him every day.
He finds it difficult to explain his disability – an intellectual impairment with unknown causes and some symptoms of dwarfism – but he doesn't mind discussing it.

"It doesn't bother me if I can get along with everyone," he said.

His sister visits often with her son and granddaughters. Photos of family line his shelves, and he refers to them often when he speaks. Every weekend, he goes bowling with friends or visits the beach or the movies.

He volunteers with charities and causes and is looking for a job at Disneyland or Souplantation & Sweet Tomatoes to help pay his income-based rent.


(emphasis mine)

Feeble is putting it lightly. They could have mentioned that the vast majority of us don't need much, if any, help at all.


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20 Nov 2012, 3:09 pm

Is it the vast majority?

I don't think that the people who do need support should be minimized, either.



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24 Nov 2012, 12:55 pm

Part of it looked like he was being abused. However, the person who wrote the article made no attempt to differentiate if it was all self-inflicted or as a result of being locked in a room [or if the door was locked from the inside or out], so it's very difficult to tell.

Whoever wrote the article was trying to push for people to provide funding.

It doesn't mean that they're right.



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26 Nov 2012, 4:08 pm

Chaos_Epoch wrote:
Did anyone actually read the whole article?

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Nate Tseglin's case is severe, but many people with developmental disabilities function well in society with the help of their parents and nonprofit groups.
Ron Freedman, 62, has lived alone in for 30 years in housing provided by Project Independence. A caretaker checks in on him every day.
He finds it difficult to explain his disability – an intellectual impairment with unknown causes and some symptoms of dwarfism – but he doesn't mind discussing it.
"It doesn't bother me if I can get along with everyone," he said.
His sister visits often with her son and granddaughters. Photos of family line his shelves, and he refers to them often when he speaks. Every weekend, he goes bowling with friends or visits the beach or the movies.
He volunteers with charities and causes and is looking for a job at Disneyland or Souplantation & Sweet Tomatoes to help pay his income-based rent.


There's a fair chance that most people who saw the headline didn't.

I don't know... Some of the coverage that I see is sort of friendly - like an article in my local paper covering a case of some kids tricking and robbing another kid with autism. They took it seriously, and seemed more sympathetic to the victim then to the accused assailants.

It does feel a bit like Aunt Jemima or Uncle Tom to me, though.



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17 Dec 2012, 2:02 pm

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"The government has put Nate Tseglin in a psychiatric hospital, but his parents insist they can take better care of the 22-year-old man with Asperger’s syndrome. The case highlights the difficulties in caring for adults with developmental issues ... Nate Tseglin was living in a filthy, locked bedroom that reeked of urine, scratching himself to the point of bleeding, making himself vomit and banging his head on walls in his parents' apartment, police say. When panic attacks seized him, the 22-year-old Irvine man sometimes kicked, punched and bit - injuring family, caretakers, medical professionals and law enforcement, according to police and public records. Tseglin has Asperger's syndrome ..."


You are right, this is a horrible case of the journalistic stupidity. They just helped to spread the common BS about us.


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22 Dec 2012, 2:11 pm

I'm so sick of people taking the worse cases ever heard of and applying it as what happens all the time. People make me sick.


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24 Dec 2012, 6:22 pm

I usually see them as overly rationalising trolls looking to affect others
with sensational hyperbole and panic merchant shock tactics
I didnt and will not see the article though
There are too many of these written political pieces anyhoos

Probably a mental health marketing guru penned that little gem
should generate a few million over the next few years
and further alienate society from itself
allowing cracks for more wedges
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31 Dec 2012, 11:20 am

Not sure this is so much a misrepresenting AS issue then a overall journalistic issue, Papers are struggling to keep subscriptions/viewership(read ad reveniues) up and sensasonal headlines have a way of keeping people interested, the thing is most people tend to read the headline and a few on their way to the sports so the way the story is wrote dosent really work, I also question if this really can be called "news" anyway. Not just us being mis-represented, just how media works now a days.



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31 Dec 2012, 11:36 am

Verdandi wrote:
Is it the vast majority?


Nope (the vast minority, actually).



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02 Jan 2013, 1:13 am

That sounds like some one with a severe case of low functioning autsim to me.....not aspergers...