Asperger syndrome and Libertarianism idea

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You can't force people to like you (and I do have friends in the capitalist system; that's not the issue). That's not my point. The point is my rights as a racial and neurological minority are not protected under the capitalist system.

The point is, in a collectivist society, people are forced to be around people who are different than them, and so society as a whole is be less prejudiced. In the U.S., without forced federal intervention for integration 50 years ago, there would be a lot more racism, just because fewer of us would have grown up around minorities. People tend not to hate that which they are familiar with. If society is too free, then people will only cloister in small groups and associations (churches, religions, private schools, etc.) of people just like them and never learn tolerance. Tell me, why is "limited government" little more than a code word for racism in the United States?

In addition, in a society that is excessively free, like ours, we are getting to the point where we don't even have a common media. People just follow media that agrees with their preconceived notions, and in a sense, different people live in alternate realities (conservatives only pay attention to Fox News, liberals MSNBC, HuffPost, etc). I think collectivism helps remedy some of these problems. And I have experience living under collectivism, so it's not like I speak totally out of ignorance.

Also, certain civil liberties (er, most of them) inherently favor NT's and people with money. I don't really take advantage of most of them, and I am unable to, so it's not like I would miss them (example, my vote doesn't count because I don't live in a swing state; I am too shy to engage in protests, etc.). Given the number of lies in all forms of media, and the corporate profit motive, I don't think freedom of the press really increases the amount of truth in the media. Most people are too stupid to think critically anyway, so many of our so-called civil liberties are just nice things that exist only in theory or to benefit rich NT's.

We are so far apart that it's not even worth continuing to discuss things.

I'll keep my freedom and you can go to a collectivist country and we'll each be happy. Deal?

Yeah, all those people in the Balkans sure learned to love each other when forced to at gun point, and look how well they got along as soon as that threat was removed...

Talk about being totally out of touch with reality. After the fall of the Soviet Union it was discovered that there was extensive ethnic prejudice and the treatment of the Jews was nearly as bad as Nazi Germany (another totalitarian state). The Soviet health system was great at warehousing often in deplorable conditions many disabled and "mentally unfit" people. Even if you would not have been locked away there were very few social support services. Of course at the time no one was permitted to talk about it so I guess that made it alright. Then there is North Korea - where all you have to do is be someone the government does not like and oops - you and all your family grandparents to children get sent off to a prison camp. If you think these totalitarian governments are really great check out how well people in wheel chairs make out there (that is if they can even get a wheel chair).

The other major problem is that totalitarian governments tend to be very short lived. The average totalitarian government probably lasts less than 50 years - even long lived ones don't make it much past 80. When they collapse violence and destruction often follow. I think someone above mentioned what happens to different groups forced to live together at the point of a gun - when the gun is no longer there.

As for my civil liberties - Yes, I do not live in a swing state - and I use my vote to keep third parties on the ballot - I have participated in a write-in campaign that elected a US Senator - and have helped in electing state and local candidates. I have spoke my mind freely - and in the past have taken actions to protest government actions - and have had front page coverage in the then two local news papers, radio and TV stations. I own several guns. I once ran for Office (lost - but I did try and may again). The most important thing I have done all this and lived my life as I pretty as I see fit and no one has imprisoned me or beat or killed me for doing any of this.

Now this government is no where near perfect -- but I will gladly take it over any totalitarian government that exists or has existed. While I would like to see this government move in a more libertarian direction I will stay and continue to participate.

What a shame it is to see the term Libertarian appropriated by the Right Wing. Used to mean Anti-Capitalist Anarchists like Emma Goldman and Peter Kropotkin. It's a fantastic word at that.

I was an aspie when I was socialist and I'm still an aspie now that I'm libertarian.

I don't see the connection.

Public schools forced plenty of kids in many ways over the years .. way before the spectrum existed.. I DO NOT believe in force.. it does not work.... but it sure does grow self hate..

This socialist Aspie thinks Libertarians are selfish jerks who haven't emotionally matured past the "I don't want to and you can't make me!! !" stage, which is why they idolize Ayn Rand's crap.

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2. I never said anything about the Soviet Union or North Korea. No idea where that came from.

Indeed, it's a great shame it has been adopted to mean practically the opposite. Ultra-capitalism rather than stateless socialism.

Im a liberitarian.

Liberty, freedom, right to private. property and a space to retreat too, live and let live philosophy, and right to entreprenure endevours aall appeal to me.

I lived in a socialist experimental house and was quickly ostrasized for my sensory issues. Socialism is not for me. I like playing with fireworks, fighting and having a beer in a tree much better. Its nice having a yard where a can sping in circles outside without the treat of being mobbed by teenaged boys or 51-50ed by the po po.

I find that the liberty and privacy and marketing opportunities liberitarinism allows for go quite well with my life here with aspergers. Not sure how anyone could find that insulting. The far left seem to be insulted by everything: another reason liberitarianism goes well with aspergers: No politically correctness b.s.

This libertarian Aspie thinks Socialists are selfish jerks who haven't emotionally matured past the "It's not fair I want that toy too" stage, which is why the idolise Karl Marx's crap.

Anyone thinking socialism is the way to go needs to spend time in an actual socialist country. Venezuela is a good start. North Korea is a good place too. Then spend some time in Switzerland, a good example of a country with strong Libertarian bend. Where is the best place to live? I leave that to you.

I have to mention National Socialism, what was it like to live there?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD0LGY9lMRM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN0C6EgPv8o

A good comparison is North Korea,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24R8JObNNQ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw46Ll-Zy4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJj85K_7MQ

One of the common threads is hypocrisy taken to extremes, I could not imagine any aspie enjoying this.

One of my favorite libertarian characters is Benjamin Franklin



This guy talks about America, he thinks we currently are heading to socialism.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO5Gayz4NNw[/youtube]

In recent times I have come to recognise that the reason why I used to get angry (and sometime still do) about certain situations I see, is because I have always been a libertarian at heart. I just didn't know in my childhood what libertarianism was.

For instance, one thing that always makes my blood boil in the idea of national service, young men being conscripted into the army. I watched a BBC documentary on this in around 1997 and watching the conscripts get sworn at, intimidated and bullied about my the sargents made me very angry. I was angry that, only within the lifetime of my Grandparents, this was allowed to happen, and worse still, national service is viewed today positively by some, instead of being seen as an international outrage like slavery (which it is) and demanding of a public apology and financial compensation for its victims.

The main principle here, in this most extreme example and in other less extreme examples, is that I was angry that people were forced into do things, forced to obey rules, which are not necessary for society to function. Why should the teacher tell the scruffy kid to 'tuck your shirt in,' when actually no-one serves to benefit from whether the shirt is in or out, and there is actually no reason for the rule, there is no victim if the rule is broken? This is a situation that makes me angry (seen this on 'Educating Yorkshire'). Someone imposes a rule upon people, which is totally unnecessary, we can function fine without that rule in place, but nonetheless the boss still insists it be done in that way. That I have a problem with.

I am conservative, pro tea party, probably could be considered a libertarian, not many here though.

Around 1948 the house committee of un American activities put out a booklet titled "1001 ways to tell a communist" maby 101 ways, I forget,

It predicts how the party's would be infiltrated, and people "conditioned". It basically predicted the last 30 to 40 years, not sure where to get a copy, found mine at a yard sale.

Knowing people from ussr and nations with socialized health care, Canada, England, socialism and socialized health may be the last thing a person with a disability would want, most said you only get what's absolutely necessary to keep you alive, if it is cheaper to amputate then save your leg, etc, off it goes, if you are not considered productive, disabled, or too old, or not essential, you may not get treated for cancer, etc, if it is more cost effective to let you die, if it is cheaper to put you in an institution then medicate, or provide an assistant, off you go. An Englishman told me what he does, what country to go to for what, all I remember now is that I think he said Germany had the best dentists in the world, I think he said you get put on waiting lists for medical conditions, sometimes people die before getting treated, if he has the money he goes where the best dr he can afford is, no insurance coverage for that.

There are many ideals of socialism that attract people, but looking at history and talking to people who lived it, you don't want it, you only get what is needed to live, may not have job choices, if you don't do your job, you go to prison, only get a car if gov feels you need it, may need permits to travel, paid according to needs, janitor may get higher pay then dr, if he has more kids then the dr. Poor quality, if you don't like your job you may do absolute minimum needed,

Basically socialists feel, people are not capable of running their own lives and mist be directed or guided their whole life,

Conservative or libertarian, it's your life, go live it, if you need help, ask and if possible, we will do what we can