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09 Feb 2012, 9:10 pm

I think that perhaps in early childhood we are often traumatized because we aren't seen as being helpful, or we go without being understood by our peers and the social isolation that results can lead to a misunderstanding in our worldview that persists into our adult lives and becomes our normal, and this causes some of our social/nervous habits. Add our meltdowns to our childhood experiences, and we become further traumatized. So I think it's really about getting over our childhood experiences and all that follows and readjusting our worldview once we are able to understand the neurotypical's perspective. Add to that that we are building our own culture and that really is the cure.

I hear UCLA teaches a class on people with Aspergers, I'd really like to see online classes on neurotypical interaction also. This would help us better understand them and keep their dialogue focused on what it really is to be an aspie rather than seeing us people with a disease. Our cause in an educated world is one of neurodiversity awareness. Do we have our own month yet?



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17 Feb 2012, 1:41 am

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http://www.forteantimes.com/features/commentary/5176/the_doubly_divided_self.html

There could be a very simple answer to all of this.

For all of their babble they have never defined "A differance in thought and perception." Perhaps they can see it, but lack the ability to understand that we have two brains, and some use both.

It will be up to us to self define.

This is the first link I ever posted, I do not know if I did it right.

It is worth reading, and does explain why we have a different range of perception, and why they never will.


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Please tell me that you are not seriously promoting the 'work' of a man when even the well known scientific journal 'The Fortean Times' feels the need to add this disclaimer to the article?

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We appreciate that the highly speculative and ‘challenging’ nature of Stan Gooch’s ideas usually elicits a robust response from readers


Seriously?

What exactly was it that attract you to this as a reality based explanation of autism was the complete absence of any credible science or evidence or was it the continually referencing of left-right politics and hindu mysticism?

You are going to take a man who claims this seriously:

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women have a larger cerebellum than men. And this is why more women are psychic mediums than men (and in fact better psychic mediums than men). Women also hypnotise more readily than men, and so on.


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Insert epic facepalm here....


The recent Japanese disaster was first reported by Cracked, or The Onion, a year or two before it happened. All of Science said it was safe, a humor site called them on it.

Most of proven science has been disproven, not a great track record. Psychology seems to know nothing of brains. Pointing out one sided views that anyone could understand, has brought down most learned thinking.

Not all brains function alike, men and women do have different brain function.

The flaw in science is thinking there is only one standard human. All differance is defects.

One example that disproves this is, CAT Scans show that the area of the brain Europeans use for speech, the Chinese use for math. Men and women do use different parts of the brain.

The Fortean Times has long been reporting on new developments in science, before they form some new theory to replace the old theory.

The view that sapiens bred with neanderthal has been around for fifty years, based on the sudden change in size, body and brain, and cultural remains, in 1991 it was mental traits. All views held outside Science, but proven by The Neanderthal DNA Project.

Even after proof, some science said it is just meaningless filler, that failed to overcome our godly perfection. To some, science is just another proof of their religion. Others reject their politics being shown a neuro minority. The Religious Right is not a faction, they are right, and will kill those who disagree.

They are Believers, not thinkers. To them the Bible is peer reviewed science.

Those who doubt their facts, also doubt their mental stability.

The report in the popular press was from scientific study. The writer did not make this up, he reported it. The Right processes information through fear. They seek absolute truth. The Left explores the meaning of Truth.

There is a genetic basis for our disfunctional governments.

I am sorry this upsets you, but it also defines you.



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17 Feb 2012, 1:18 pm

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Most of proven science has been disproven, not a great track record. Psychology seems to know nothing of brains. Pointing out one sided views that anyone could understand, has brought down most learned thinking.


You don't seem to understand how science works. Yes, most scientific theories have changed. That's the point. A theory is an explanation that fits the facts, and gets altered or expanded or sometimes completed replaced when a better one is discovered. Saying science has a poor track record is like calling Michaelangelo a bad artist because he produced hundreds of blobby finger paintings when he was a toddler.

And psychology is, surprisingly enough, nothing to do with brains. It's about the mind, which is not the same thing. There is a connection between brain and mind, but knowing how to build a computer isn't the same thing as knowing how to program it.



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17 Feb 2012, 5:52 pm

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I have noticed a few clues to neurotypical, most people do not dream in color, in highly detailed images, or at all. That is Normal.



I've often wondered about dreaming in color, I've had people tell me it is impossible, though not recently... Is that something that only occurs with Aspergers or in our families?

Say what? How can you NOT dream in colour? Every dream I ever had has been. Although lots of people say you can´t feel pain in your dreams (I have) and that you can´t "die" in your dreams (I have; that is to say the character that was me died in the dream and then I had a sort of out-of-body experience).



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17 Feb 2012, 6:20 pm

[quote]quote="TheFerretHadToGo"][quote="webcam"][quote="Inventor"]

I have noticed a few clues to neurotypical, most people do not dream in color, in highly detailed images, or at all. That is Normal.


I've often wondered about dreaming in color, I've had people tell me it is impossible, though not recently... Is that something that only occurs with Aspergers or in our families?


Say what? How can you NOT dream in colour? Every dream I ever had has been. Although lots of people say you can´t feel pain in your dreams (I have) and that you can´t "die" in your dreams (I have; that is to say the character that was me died in the dream and then I had a sort of out-of-body experience).[/quote]




Yes, people dream in color. There was a little slice of time when people said they dreamed in black and white. This little slice of time was after photography but before it was available in color. People were just reporting media influence and the media of the time was black and white. After media was in color, people went back to reporting dreams in color, as they has before black and white photography was invented.

http://www.realmeaningofdreams.com/dream-in-color.html

^nice little website about dreams that discusses this.



24 Jul 2013, 11:50 pm

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They suspect that extreme stimuli at a young age could lead to nightmarish results for the young developing child, that could lead to permanent changes in neurology, as opposed to older individuals with autism.

It makes sense to me, because I see some individuals with autism in the present day, much more overwhelmed by environmental stimulus, per reports here, from a young age, that could be explained from exposure from a very young age, to extreme environmental stimulatory exposure. Others love it, so it doesn't appear to affect everyone in the same way.

So, in short, the environmental toxins trigger the autism, and the hypersensitivity in some individuals with autism, and the modern cultural environment of stimulatory attack, can potentially make the disorder much worse for some than others.

Without electricity the world is not nearly as stimulating a world, from the perspective of neurological development. It is stimulating reflective of the way humans have adapted to it for thousands of years, with or without autism.

...

Just the factor of available stimulation in the environment could influence the number of individuals actually diagnosed, in our current society, as compared to previous decades, where the environment was not nearly as stimulating as it can be now, if Markram's theory is correct.



I think I have my own very simple proof of that.

The town I live in has changed a lot over the past 10 years.
10 years ago, we had no neon lighting, no supermarkets, very little outdoor advertising, very few cars in the streets, no Internet, and only some 2 or 3 TV channels. Now, we have all these delights of civilization. And, the population has doubled since 1990.
I've always perceived the world intensely but back then it was a PLEASURE, at least sometimes when I was alone or in a friendly environment when I didn't have to concentrate too much on the social issues. Now, every walk through town is a problem because I can't filter all the information; every neon sign, every ad, every bright packing is like a trap for my eyes; it feels like my head is full of garbage. Plus the never-ending traffic noise, and crowds in the streets, too many people talking, too many smells, etc.
I avoid going out until late at night, especially when I'm stressed or overworked, but if I have to, I get overloaded in less than half an hour, and this affects my social functioning and I think at that point my "hidden disability" becomes visible.
The change was relatively slow so I adapted a little (I think I would feel much worse if I just moved from a small town to a megacity); but anyway, this overstimulation is probably one of the reasons why I'm looking more autistic now than ever before since I was 7.



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24 Jul 2013, 11:52 pm

aghogday wrote:
They suspect that extreme stimuli at a young age could lead to nightmarish results for the young developing child, that could lead to permanent changes in neurology, as opposed to older individuals with autism.

It makes sense to me, because I see some individuals with autism in the present day, much more overwhelmed by environmental stimulus, per reports here, from a young age, that could be explained from exposure from a very young age, to extreme environmental stimulatory exposure. Others love it, so it doesn't appear to affect everyone in the same way.

So, in short, the environmental toxins trigger the autism, and the hypersensitivity in some individuals with autism, and the modern cultural environment of stimulatory attack, can potentially make the disorder much worse for some than others.

Without electricity the world is not nearly as stimulating a world, from the perspective of neurological development. It is stimulating reflective of the way humans have adapted to it for thousands of years, with or without autism.

...

Just the factor of available stimulation in the environment could influence the number of individuals actually diagnosed, in our current society, as compared to previous decades, where the environment was not nearly as stimulating as it can be now, if Markram's theory is correct.



I think I have my own very simple proof of that.

The town I live in has changed a lot over the past 10 years.
10 years ago, we had no neon lighting, no supermarkets, very little outdoor advertising, very few cars in the streets, no Internet, and only some 2 or 3 TV channels. Now, we have all these delights of civilization. And, the population has doubled since 1990.
I've always perceived the world intensely but back then it was a PLEASURE, at least sometimes when I was alone or in a friendly environment when I didn't have to concentrate too much on the social issues. Now, every walk through town is a problem because I can't filter all the information; every neon sign, every ad, every bright packing is like a trap for my eyes; it feels like my head is full of garbage. Plus the never-ending traffic noise, and crowds in the streets, too many people talking, too many smells, etc.
I avoid going out until late at night, especially when I'm stressed or overworked, but if I have to, I get overloaded in less than half an hour, and this affects my social functioning and I think at that point my "hidden disability" becomes visible.
The change was relatively slow so I adapted a little (I think I would feel much worse if I just moved from a small town to a megacity); but anyway, this overstimulation is probably one of the reasons why I'm looking more autistic now than ever before since I was 7.

I think if I was exposed to such overstimulation at an early age I would hardly get away without being diagnosed.



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25 Jul 2013, 2:47 am

The Markrams were pointing out something everyone is suffering from. New and overpowering things, like until recently, no one died from texting while driving.

They related it in their minds to autism, just as people before them had called it Male Brain, Bad Mothers, and other single causes.

Through most of time one could walk out of town in between two and six minutes, and reach the peace of the countryside. There were lots of choices of quite lives.

Modern life produces lots of problems, but autism was around long before.

The autistic notice it, and avoid it, the rest are like Charlie Chaplin in Modern Times, where the pace of factory life is always faster than he can cope with. Most of the world is living on that treadmill.

We know roughly the age of death in the past, but I wonder about the men that die at 40-42, of a heart attack. Is that part of modern life? Autism is minor compared.

In a 24/7 Wall St. article about death rates, the least healthy places, one thing that stood out was cronic pain, and that in some states it was back and neck, and in others, feet and knees.

Autism and numbers are used, but is it different in California, than New York? Are there regional versions of Autism?

How far back did you read to find this old thread?



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25 Jul 2013, 4:46 pm

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How far back did you read to find this old thread?


I just typed Intense World Theory in the search bar :) and found the Markrams' interview and this thread.
Is picking up old threads mauvais ton? I'm new here so I don't know.

I agree that modern life affects not only autistics but all the people who are vulnerable in any respect.
I've got a good friend who's epileptic and as far as I can see her adaptation problems are worse than mine.

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There aren't. All I know is that sometimes I find it easier to cope with my specific issues in a quiet, natural enviroment.
Overstimulation makes things worse.



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28 Jul 2013, 11:25 am

I've heard of the theory before; it does fit with my experience.

I've had my best luck explaining myself to my husband and a few others this way.

I've also had my best luck telling myself that the world just floods my senses sometimes, and letting myself partially shut them down. This is how I manage to, say, take my kids to school functions in an auditorium with multiple hundreds of people.

THE PROBLEM lies not in the analysis, but in the persistent belief that we are "BROKEN."

That's where things like the Intense World Theory-- which was quoted to me by the as*holes who tried to kill me with risperidone-- end up becoming a clinical basis for drugging us out of our minds in an attempt to "cure" us of this "terrible disease."

I am SO SICK of being BROKEN.


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