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08 May 2014, 11:03 pm

I don't understand why people even charged them with abandonment. Even if you go through an agency, it can take weeks to get a caregiver willing to do the job. They pretty much wanted what was best for him, and they tried to get him help in the way they knew how. Not even people with money can secure a caregiver and/or nurse at some of these agencies.

Honestly, I don't see why someone even commented in the story that it's irrational. It's pretty rational. This is what parents are supposed to do before they lose hope and kill themselves and their children. Money has nothing to do with it in this case. Even money couldn't get them the help when they needed it (which was asap). I also don't understand what having 2 BMWs and a house that is valued at a little over 180k has to do with anything. Are people implying money is the only issue in caring for disabled children? Also, if you are poor, what are you supposed to do? I'm not sure of PA laws regarding abandonment. I know you can give babies up in a lot of states and not be charged, but do you have to do it a specific way for older children? What if you don't have time for the paperwork? What if you need to get your child to a safe place NOW?

They seem very caring and I support their effort for trying to get their son somewhere to be taken care of.

Yes, I know both sides to many issues that are spoken, although I'm not lower functioning, so I won't act like I was in the position of these children. This is part of why I get so upset over posts like this. There is just so much suffering, and I understand it from both sides. Well, I have to go take a hot bath before I get even more depressed from the crappy stuff that goes on in the world.

Also, what the parents did it what I wish other parents would do before it's too late. That's all I want. Being that I lived in PA, I know how my CYS agency worked. They generally wanted to keep the families intact if the children were being abused, but they tend to take away the children from loving families. Well, this is where I was at. This is one family where they should try to keep them together if possible.



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09 May 2014, 2:32 pm

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You gotta be batshit crazy to kill your kid.


That is not true. There are perfectly sane as well as only mildly mentally disturbed people killing their children all the time.


Batshit crazy isn't the same thing as mental illness. You can be mentally ill without being crazy, crazy without being mentally ill, both or neither. The words "batshit crazy" do not appear in any DSM and are not a diagnosis.


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09 May 2014, 2:36 pm

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The words "batshit crazy" do not appear in any DSM and are not a diagnosis.


That's obvious, but what does "batshit crazy" refer to if not some sort of psychological imbalance? "Mental illness" does not necessarily refer to a formally diagnosable condition.



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13 May 2014, 3:18 pm

I wish someone had killed me when it became apparent that I was not like other children.

I recently learned that I have a profoundly autistic second cousin. We didn't know about him when I was growing up. He is my grandfather's sister's grandson. His parents moved far, far away to find help for him. When they came to visit, his grandmother kept him locked in a back bedroom.

I wish someone had killed me when it became apparent that I was not like other children.


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14 May 2014, 1:59 pm

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I wish someone had killed me when it became apparent that I was not like other children.

I recently learned that I have a profoundly autistic second cousin. We didn't know about him when I was growing up. He is my grandfather's sister's grandson. His parents moved far, far away to find help for him. When they came to visit, his grandmother kept him locked in a back bedroom.

I wish someone had killed me when it became apparent that I was not like other children.


Careful what you say. There are people on here who might take you up on that......... :wink:



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14 May 2014, 2:15 pm

Everyone here is being way to hard on Tarentella64.

It's clear she suffers from a severe case of "Martyrpergers Syndrome." A pervasive developmental condition on the narcissistic spectrum characterized by the opinion that people should be entitled to sympathy and special privledges (i.e. murder) because they have a child or family member who was born a bit weird.

Truth be told, I find that most parents suffer from this condition to some extent, but it's especially pervasive for the parents of Autistic kids. Practically the entire "Autism Speaks" board of directors suffers from this sad debilitating condition.

As "Martyrpergers" is clearly real and in no way a made up condition, she deserves your pity, not your disdain. She just can't help herself. Truly Sad........ :cry:



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14 May 2014, 3:06 pm

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Actually, they are. I posted a comment that says it. Apparently you like to act like it's not happening, but it is. Please refrain from acting like I'm getting "carried away" when it's people like me who are the ones who are getting murdered. I also don't need that condescending "ahem", either.


I just went back and reread the quote. The guy says his brother is violent, a danger to his parents, and hell to live with, not that he should be murdered. You're reading in massively. If you want to invent something, and then get very upset about it, that's your prerogative, but please don't come round and insist I participate in the delusion.

I repeat: Exactly no one is in support of parents' murdering autistic children. There is a very large difference between "sympathetic to someone who's done a horrible thing" and "supportive of someone's doing a horrible thing".


Oh my god. YOU are the delusional one. He heavily implied that some autistics are not even "whole human beings".

I can only come to one conclusion: You care more about the murders than the murdered. You make NOTHING BUT EXCUSES FOR MURDERS. NOTHING. BUT. EXCUSES. If an autistic person is violent, it's bad. If an autistic person is murdered well, I guess we should have sympathy for the mother especially, right? NO. NO. You only care about violence apparently when it's against YOU. OK. How about you have more sympathy for autistic people having meltdowns that can't control their violence? Oh, but no, that's pushing people like you around, right? Again, you only seem to care about violence when it's against NTs. What a crock of sh**.


If people did this to the elderly, there would be OUTCRIES. If it's done to autistic people, we should have more sympathy. YOU are the massively delusional one. I'VE BEEN ON FORUMS AND HAVE READ COMMENTS WHERE PEOPLE IMPLY THEY SUPPORT THIS. THE VERY COMMENT I POSTED IS HEAVILY IMPLYING SOME OF US ARE NOT EVEN HUMAN, AND IT'S A COMMENT ON A STORY ABOUT A BRUTALLY MURDERED CHILD. EVEN IF A CHILD IS BRUTALLY MURDERED, YOU STILL WANT ME TO GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE PARENT. Well, too bad. I'm on the side of the murdered CHILD. DO NOT ACT LIKE I'M STUPID AND I'M MISSING THE POINT. If you have an autistic child, I really feel for them at this point. It's clear you think they are a burden and you deserve sympathy for all of your troubles. Well, you aren't getting it from me. Take your sh** and shove it up your ass.

Way harsh.......

Another characteristic of "Martyrpergers" is the inability to respect the opinions of adults on the Autism spectrum. Why should she acknowledge the opinion of an Autistic when she (a "normal" person) clearly knows whats best by virtue of not being an invalid (allegedly)?

Don't worry, Bleh. I'm not trying to attack you or claim that the things she's saying are right. I'm just coming to her defense by offering a real and totally not made up justification for her sick and vile opinions. Like I said, she deserves our pity, much like Alex Spourdalakis's mother and godmother. There are tears welling up in my eyes as I type this.......... She's clearly low functioning and would probably be better off dead. :cry: :cry: :cry:



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14 May 2014, 3:09 pm

Geekonychus wrote:
Everyone here is being way to hard on Tarentella64.

It's clear she suffers from a severe case of "Martyrpergers Syndrome."


You are only going to rile up more anger and frustration with this.



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14 May 2014, 3:16 pm

starkid wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
Everyone here is being way to hard on Tarentella64.

It's clear she suffers from a severe case of "Martyrpergers Syndrome."


You are only going to rile up more anger and frustration with this.


How? I'm merely trying to help by offering a totally not made up clinical justification for why someone would sympathize with stabbing their child 4 times in the chest and slicing his wrist down to the bone (also killing the family cat afterwards for some reason.)

Clearly there's a lot of misinformation floating around this thread about the nature of Martyrpergers.



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14 May 2014, 4:17 pm

I can't work out if geekonychus is joking or not.


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07 Nov 2014, 6:20 pm

And some doctors says that is the autistics who don't have empathy... :(



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08 Nov 2014, 2:16 am

i m really very after hearing story. At least a mother should not have kill her child :(



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29 Sep 2015, 12:01 am

And I am sick and tired of hearing that mothers who kill their children are mentally ill. No, if that's the case, a father who kills his child is also mentally ill. A child who kills his parents is also mentally ill. NO NO NO that is not the case. While there may be a few who are mentally ill, the majority are just pathetic human beings, nothing more. A man who kills his wife doesn't get the mentally ill defense, neither does a child who kills his parents...stop excusing the pathetic behavior of any woman who dares kill their child, they are just evil.



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29 Sep 2015, 12:04 am

I am just WAITING for the headlines of a child who was taking care of their elderly parent, was worn out, had too much on their plate, was overwhelmed and killed them! I can assure you that NOT A SINGLE PERSON would ever say "oh, poor child, killed their mom because they couldn't deal taking care of them, they just had too much work on their hands"...BS.



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29 Sep 2015, 9:49 am

whatamess wrote:
I am just WAITING for the headlines of a child who was taking care of their elderly parent, was worn out, had too much on their plate, was overwhelmed and killed them! I can assure you that NOT A SINGLE PERSON would ever say "oh, poor child, killed their mom because they couldn't deal taking care of them, they just had too much work on their hands"...BS.



I heard something like that similar but it was an 11 year old boy caring for his mother who was sick and he snapped and hurt her. He didn't kill her and he also had lot of sympathies and people were saying where were family when this was all happening, where were social services. But the boy was arrested I hear and I don't remember exactly. I am sure the story is still online if anyone googles it with the right keywords.


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