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29 Nov 2016, 4:24 pm

It can help them the same way it helps neurodivergent people who don't have severe autism—by promoting understanding and acceptance of some of their traits.



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30 Nov 2016, 7:12 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
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Shahunshah wrote:
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It's also worth nothing that lower functioning autism actually has a higher employment rate than high functioning autism, and that's because there is more accommodations. So-called low functioning autism really typically isn't as severe as most people think it is, while so-called high functioning is typically much more severe than most people think it is.
I feel a little skeptical of that. Do you have evidence?


https://www.transcendautism.com/are-adu ... dividuals/

If you want statistics, people with ID are far more likely to employed than people with autism, it's like a 10% versus a 33% employment rate, and low functioning autism is by definition the combination of ID and autism. I know that isn't quite enough to substantiate my claims, but I can't find my original source. It's worth noting that a large proportion of autistic employment is in sheltered workshops, which mostly cater to lower-functioning autism.
I didn't see any statistics their that backed up your claims there.


The statistics are in the post. You can go find the sources for the statistics using google, as they aren't that hard to find.
I haven't found the statistics could you send a link.

I am still skeptical of them. If you are adult with low functioning autism you can't do basics like communicate with your co workers something which is essential for allot of work.


http://www.autismhandbook.org/images/5/ ... et2011.pdf
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shot ... d-isolated

One key problem is it seems every single study gets different figures for autistic employment rate, but the one thing that's consistent is that it's lower than intellectual disability. I can't refind the site that I got the statistics in that post from, the reason I didn't link it is because while they had they had a source for that statistic, they had a bunch of unsourced information about autism inherently being a intellectual deficit based on the way they defined intelligence.

The problem is you don't understand the employment environment. Obviously, they people with low functioning autism aren't getting office jobs. You don't need to communicate with co-workers for the type of job people with low-functioning autism get, you just need to be able to follow tasks from a supervisor. And they get the jobs because the jobs are specifically set aside for them, which does not happen for higher functioning autism because they are perceived as being able to get a job. It's also a myth than higher functioning autism implies better communication than lower functioning autism.


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30 Nov 2016, 8:33 pm

Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
It's also worth nothing that lower functioning autism actually has a higher employment rate than high functioning autism, and that's because there is more accommodations. So-called low functioning autism really typically isn't as severe as most people think it is, while so-called high functioning is typically much more severe than most people think it is.
I feel a little skeptical of that. Do you have evidence?


https://www.transcendautism.com/are-adu ... dividuals/

If you want statistics, people with ID are far more likely to employed than people with autism, it's like a 10% versus a 33% employment rate, and low functioning autism is by definition the combination of ID and autism. I know that isn't quite enough to substantiate my claims, but I can't find my original source. It's worth noting that a large proportion of autistic employment is in sheltered workshops, which mostly cater to lower-functioning autism.
I didn't see any statistics their that backed up your claims there.


The statistics are in the post. You can go find the sources for the statistics using google, as they aren't that hard to find.
I haven't found the statistics could you send a link.

I am still skeptical of them. If you are adult with low functioning autism you can't do basics like communicate with your co workers something which is essential for allot of work.


http://www.autismhandbook.org/images/5/ ... et2011.pdf
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shot ... d-isolated

One key problem is it seems every single study gets different figures for autistic employment rate, but the one thing that's consistent is that it's lower than intellectual disability. I can't refind the site that I got the statistics in that post from, the reason I didn't link it is because while they had they had a source for that statistic, they had a bunch of unsourced information about autism inherently being a intellectual deficit based on the way they defined intelligence.

The problem is you don't understand the employment environment. Obviously, they people with low functioning autism aren't getting office jobs. You don't need to communicate with co-workers for the type of job people with low-functioning autism get, you just need to be able to follow tasks from a supervisor. And they get the jobs because the jobs are specifically set aside for them, which does not happen for higher functioning autism because they are perceived as being able to get a job. It's also a myth than higher functioning autism implies better communication than lower functioning autism.
Their might be some truth to what you are saying, sheltered workshops for instance may be incentivized to hire people with low functioning autism. But intellectual disability is different from what we imagine as Low Functioning Autism.



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02 Dec 2016, 8:34 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nriB6uDOAOY

Do you all think accomodation is the end of it? This man in this video has written on the horror of his seizures, neuropathic headaches, insomnia, and obsessive behaviours that cause him suffering to no end.

It almost seems as if you are trying to invalidate his feelings if you keep insisting autism is merely a difference and not a disorder.


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03 Dec 2016, 1:52 am

Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
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It's also worth nothing that lower functioning autism actually has a higher employment rate than high functioning autism, and that's because there is more accommodations. So-called low functioning autism really typically isn't as severe as most people think it is, while so-called high functioning is typically much more severe than most people think it is.
I feel a little skeptical of that. Do you have evidence?


https://www.transcendautism.com/are-adu ... dividuals/

If you want statistics, people with ID are far more likely to employed than people with autism, it's like a 10% versus a 33% employment rate, and low functioning autism is by definition the combination of ID and autism. I know that isn't quite enough to substantiate my claims, but I can't find my original source. It's worth noting that a large proportion of autistic employment is in sheltered workshops, which mostly cater to lower-functioning autism.
I didn't see any statistics their that backed up your claims there.


The statistics are in the post. You can go find the sources for the statistics using google, as they aren't that hard to find.
I haven't found the statistics could you send a link.

I am still skeptical of them. If you are adult with low functioning autism you can't do basics like communicate with your co workers something which is essential for allot of work.


http://www.autismhandbook.org/images/5/ ... et2011.pdf
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shot ... d-isolated

One key problem is it seems every single study gets different figures for autistic employment rate, but the one thing that's consistent is that it's lower than intellectual disability. I can't refind the site that I got the statistics in that post from, the reason I didn't link it is because while they had they had a source for that statistic, they had a bunch of unsourced information about autism inherently being a intellectual deficit based on the way they defined intelligence.

The problem is you don't understand the employment environment. Obviously, they people with low functioning autism aren't getting office jobs. You don't need to communicate with co-workers for the type of job people with low-functioning autism get, you just need to be able to follow tasks from a supervisor. And they get the jobs because the jobs are specifically set aside for them, which does not happen for higher functioning autism because they are perceived as being able to get a job. It's also a myth than higher functioning autism implies better communication than lower functioning autism.
Their might be some truth to what you are saying, sheltered workshops for instance may be incentivized to hire people with low functioning autism. But intellectual disability is different from what we imagine as Low Functioning Autism.


As I said before, what YOU imagine as low functioning autism is actually not what most low functioning autism looks like. Literally all it means is an IQ measured in the mentally ret*d range along with autism.


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03 Dec 2016, 1:54 am

johnnyh wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nriB6uDOAOY

Do you all think accomodation is the end of it? This man in this video has written on the horror of his seizures, neuropathic headaches, insomnia, and obsessive behaviours that cause him suffering to no end.

It almost seems as if you are trying to invalidate his feelings if you keep insisting autism is merely a difference and not a disorder.


First, most of those aren't intrinsic to autism. Second, you fundamentally don't understand the neurodiversity paradigm. Part of it is providing treatments and services so people can be the best person they can be.


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03 Dec 2016, 9:44 pm

Ganondox wrote:
johnnyh wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nriB6uDOAOY

Do you all think accomodation is the end of it? This man in this video has written on the horror of his seizures, neuropathic headaches, insomnia, and obsessive behaviours that cause him suffering to no end.

It almost seems as if you are trying to invalidate his feelings if you keep insisting autism is merely a difference and not a disorder.


First, most of those aren't intrinsic to autism. Second, you fundamentally don't understand the neurodiversity paradigm. Part of it is providing treatments and services so people can be the best person they can be.


The man wants to be able to speak, what can you possibly say to him? "Buck up"?


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04 Dec 2016, 4:02 pm

I mean, do you have any compassion? How would that man react if you told him everything you've been saying?


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05 Dec 2016, 6:32 pm

johnnyh wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
johnnyh wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nriB6uDOAOY

Do you all think accomodation is the end of it? This man in this video has written on the horror of his seizures, neuropathic headaches, insomnia, and obsessive behaviours that cause him suffering to no end.

It almost seems as if you are trying to invalidate his feelings if you keep insisting autism is merely a difference and not a disorder.


First, most of those aren't intrinsic to autism. Second, you fundamentally don't understand the neurodiversity paradigm. Part of it is providing treatments and services so people can be the best person they can be.


The man wants to be able to speak, what can you possibly say to him? "Buck up"?


Did you read anything I said? Apparently not. If the person wants to be able to speak, then the neurodiversity seeks to provide a means for those people to speak. However, it turns out many non-verbal people don't WANT to speak, after they were given ability to communicate other ways. The other part of neurodiversity is providing those other means.


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05 Dec 2016, 8:17 pm

And the other part should be recognizing not everybody wants to be autistic. You can disagree with the man in the video but you should respect his right to his own beliefs, especially after living through hell and still living in it.


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05 Dec 2016, 8:22 pm

johnnyh wrote:
And the other part should be recognizing not everybody wants to be autistic.


How is that related to neurodiversity?

Honestly, you seem to be talking to a phantom person in this thread. It's like you aren't really reading the actual comments, but are responding to what someone in the past said about neurodiversity.



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johnnyh wrote:
And the other part should be recognizing not everybody wants to be autistic. You can disagree with the man in the video but you should respect his right to his own beliefs, especially after living through hell and still living in it.


More demonstration that you clearly don't understand neurodiversity and are positing answers to claims I never said. People not being autistic is as much a part of neurodiversity as being autistic is. The actual issue has nothing to do with neurodiveristy, it's just that curing autism is impossible and attempting to do so waste of resources as such. Many people are also horrifically abused in attempts to cure their autism.


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06 Dec 2016, 3:32 pm

You may be surprised to know that a lot of the pro-neurodiversity activists such as Amy Sequenzia are actually considered "severe". They still do not consider it an excuse to "treat"/"cure" them. They want a good quality of life, they want to learn to do things, but on their own terms, not from someone who wants to normalize them.

Read the article, "Awesomely Autistic, Awesomely Distiniguishable" for more information on this. (I am a new joiner and therefore cannot post links for a while)